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[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Wealthy european jews stole the palestinians’ country, drove them out and established a racist ethnostate theocracy. Jews who haven’t had ancestors living in the levant for 2 thousand years get automatic citizenship because of race. Palestinians driven out of their homeland 50 years ago get nothing.

Miscegenation laws about jews and non jews marrying are enforced.

Jewish scholars are supported by the state with taxes payed by palestinians.

But it seems jews still don’t have enough palestinian land.

They deserve none of it.

How about not stealing other people’s land? Then you wouldnt need to defend yourself, Israel.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Israel should cease to exist. It is counterfeit based on commercialization fraud by 900 corporations at the Basel Zionist congresses.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh hey let me argue with you. Wait.... nope.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you. Palestinians are living in apartheid by the Zionist state of Israel which orchestrated 9/11.

[–]scrubking[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess you've never heard of Abraham.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Abraham wasn't Jewish.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Welsh, or some people largely related to them, controlled a large part of Turkey 2000 years ago. Did you know?

I guess the Turks should just get the fuck out so that the Welsh can have their “homeland” back. If the Welsh can bribe NATO with a trillion dollars, Turkey is theirs, right?

That’s how it works. The Welsh can then set up an ethnostate in Anatolia which is also a Methodist theocracy.

Also don’t criticize the Welsh for doing this because they are the most victimized people in the world. No one else has suffered as they have.

Your country is going to have to pass some laws saying that the Roman siege of the Gauls in Alesia was the greatest genocide in history and that anyone who denies it needs to go to jail.

Sound arbitrary?

The Palestinians are the native people of palestine. You cannot rule out that Palestinians decend from Abraham and other Hebrews. Other semitic groups were also native to the land of that period. Palestinians are wholly genetically levantine. Jews are significantly non-levantine and have not had a large population living in Palestine for thousands of years. The statute of limitations is up. Every country had someone else living in it if you go far back enough.

In 1900, Palestine only had ~ 5% Jews.

In the Balfour agreement, the British military enforced large scale jewish migration in to Palestine at the point of the gun. In exchange for favors from the Rothchild bank.

They stole it. Because God said they could. There were no jews to speak of living there for a very long time. They had no right. And they’re still stealing more land daily.

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Sigh. Here we go. Alright everyone you can just wait for me to handle this.

/u/involuntaryHalibut What is wrong with racist ethnostate theocracies, exactly? The racism part? There goes most of Africa and Asia. The ethnostate part? Sorry Japan, looks like the world decided you need some forced immigration. No national sovereignty for you and your peoples! Or maybe the theocracy part? Are you here to make a nuanced argument about power corrupting religion? I doubt it. This is clownworld and everyone attacks "religion" (mostly just Christianity, but occasionally Judiasm) because they hate it rather than they love it and want to protect it from corrupting influences.

No mention of Palestinians being rejected and later not going to any of their many other Islamic paradises? No? Thought so.

Miscegenation, see the first question, except now you additionally have to argue against their democratic process.

About the scholarship that's the same as the third question, except now you have to argue against state-funded education (which is atleast an easier bar)

I assume the 'still don't have enough land' is concerning the Gaza Strip. I could go slowly through the history, but it would be faster to just ask you to give the cliffs notes so I can just add in the missing part(s). I will request you explain giving back the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt if they just wanted land.

And as far as the sympathies for firing rockets (at civilians) into a sovereign, internationally recognized state, does this mean you're all for Northern Ireland being given back? Why stop there, why not go full anticolonialist and try to tear down the entire Western Hemisphere? Ask South Africa and Zimbabwe how that went for them.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I dont have any problem with ethnostate theocracies. But let get our terminology straight. Countries in Africa and Asia, like Japan are genetically and culturally homogeneous and ethnocentric. If you want to call that a default ethnostate, Im okay with that.

But that is not what Israel is. Israel defines membership in a race as grounds for citizenship. Not a history of residency or family history of residency. Not indigeneity to the locale. Race.

That is why it is illegal for a jew to marry a non-jew.

Israel is the only legal de jure ethnostate in existence to my knowlege. But I wouldn’t really have a problem with that either if they were the native people of Palestine. They aren’t

Or maybe the theocracy part? Are you here to make a nuanced argument about power corrupting religion?

Native palestinians are forced to pay tax dollars to subsidize tens of thousands of jewish religious scholars that 100% believe Palestinians are Amalek and that Jews are commanded to wipe out by God. The Haredi absolutely believe that they have souls and other groups are not fully human and that some groups like the Canaanites, Edomites, and Amalek must be killed so that Jews can rule over all other nations. Most Haredi believe Palestinians are one of these groups. Haredi jews are abolutely a racial supremecist cult. They are subsidized by the government with Palestinian tax dollars. No one should be forced to subsidize their own genocide.

I don’t hate religion. I hate the racist precepts of the orthodox movement in this religion. This state funded ‘education’ teaches that Palestinians are amalek!

No mention of Palestinians being rejected and later not going to any of their many other Islamic paradises?

Why should they do that? Their country is Palestine. 120 years ago they were 95% of the population in their own country. 50 years ago they were still the majority. But foreigners with more money and guns are still daily driving them off what little territory they have left. Many of these people are not devout muslims and many are christians.

Sinai, Zimbabwe....

Jews are not native to Palestine. Palestinians are. Jews are about 60% decended (give or take) from a group of people that lived in Palestine side-by-side with many other groups but left 1700 years ago. Not 50 years ago, not 500 years ago. The claim is unsupportable. I don’t care that the Rothchilds or anyone else influence a few powerful countries to aid this invasion and give it legitamacy. They have no legitamacy only $$$$.

I would like to be clear about the biggest problem I see here. It is not simply that they declared a literal ethnostate. It is that Israeli jews who enjoy this legal ethnostate have second citizenships in many other countries. Indeed any racial jew anywhere can claim israeli citizenship by filing a form. But in their other countries they are the foremost critics in the world of other people living in and controlling their own ethnostates. In fact they have started communist parties to foment insurrections in every nation on earth to end national borders and ethnocentric nations.

Is no one supposed to notice that the only group of people on the planet to have an actual true ethnostate are the very people (more than any other group of people by far ) to be demonizing all other groups for wanting to maintain genetic and cultural cohesion?

This woman is a citizen of an ethnostate due to her race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cmm5SFDEvI&t=38s

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay I gave you a very hostile response and you didn't reply back the way I was expecting. So let's do this slowly

Many of these people are not devout muslims and many are christians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine says its 1-2%. In the gaza strip its .2% but I'm not going to argue about what makes a true muslim or whatever.

No one should be forced to subsidize their own genocide.

That's fair. They could leave, though. This isn't new. It's been generations. There are plenty of friendly muslim countries all around. Unless you're insinuating that Israel would find them in other countries and kill them there. I don't consider that likely, although I don't know if that state has ever fought offensive wars.

If you want to call that a default ethnostate, Im okay with that. Not a history of residency or family history of residency. Israel is the only legal de jure ethnostate in existence to my knowleg(d)e. the only group of people on the planet to have an actual true ethnostate are the very people (more than any other group of people by far ) to be demonizing all other groups for wanting to maintain genetic and cultural cohesion

This seems to be your main argument. I'd like to point out that a lot of those jews demonizing other groups for homogenization do, in fact, dislike that aspect of Israel. I'm sure you're aware that a third are there, a third are in the US and a third are elsewhere. Do you think these three groups all hold the same general political views on this issues? If so, can you provide evidence. If not, why have you not considered such obvious fault lines?

a group of people that lived in Palestine side-by-side with many other groups but left 1700 years ago

Maybe the stats don't exist, but do we have any good evidence of the number of Jews in the middle east, say 1900AD?

In fact they have started communist parties to foment insurrections in every nation on earth to end national borders and ethnocentric nations.

This part is an inconvenient truth and I have no argument against it.

The woman you linked to is just a wide-eyed leftist demanding europe be 'multicultural' not because she has an ethnostate to go hide inside. She's doing it because she's evil and wants to tear down Western Christian Europe. She's oblivious to the fact that doing so will weaken her ethnostate's allies and leave Israel weaker. Or she knows and wants it all to burn

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

That says Christians were ~10% of the population of Palestine from 1800 until 1947 so that goes to show just how much the jews fucked them over. Their numbers increased under the Ottomans

This isn't new. It's been generations.

Okay so jews can give back the land stolen in my generation. Just in my lifetime. How bout that? No, thats half their fucking territory. They wont do that.

That's fair. They could leave, though.

Jews could leave. Jews are foreigners with no legitamacy. When Hitler asked the jews to leave in the 1930’s, at least Germans had a decent claim to Germany.

German right to expell jews from Germany > Jewish right to expel Palestinians from Palestine.

When jews get booted, its pogrom this and pogrom that. Somebody pogromed 300 hundred jews out of Poland 800 years ago and we’re still hearing about it. Genocide!

But when they are confronted on the ongoing theft of Palestine, “Hey, there are other nice muslim countries, so get the fuck out” . Instead, lets simply deprive Israel of all the international economic and military support it has enjoyed for the last few decades and let them duke it out with the people whose land they stole on a level playing field. That’s fair. They deserve Hamas. They created this situation.

This seems to be your main argument.

Yeah total hypocrisy is my main argument. Moving in to other people’s countries and demanding that they dismantle whiteness or burning down centuries old churches because that is the opiate of the masses.

I recently read an article on a jewish cultural website that bragged about how jewish actresses infiltrated early Bollywood and were able to “pass” as Hindus and play overtly sexual characters that hindu actresses were unwilling to play. These characters helped “liberate” women’s sexuality in India and “dismantle the patriarchy”. They do it wherever they go.

I'd like to point out that a lot of those jews demonizing other groups for homogenization do, in fact, dislike that aspect of Israel.

Spectre( that woman) defends Israel. She thinks it needs special protection.

All the left wing jewish journalists that have run american news for 80 years painted Israel as an innocent victim in the Palestinian conflict and never produced a decent 2 sided piece ever until maybe the last few years when the destruction of Palestine is basically a fait accompli. I know because they snowed me that they were the good guys. I used to be pro-israel.

But it took people pointing out to me that, however they frame their ideology, it always comes down to the same thing, they fuck around in other people’s countries and they harm other people’s culture.

The haredi make no bones about it. They believe they are better than everyone else. God said so. They believe christians are idolators (check that against the noahide laws) and that Jesus was a ben niddah (basically son of a whore). They believe all other people on earth must eventually be their servants or be destroyed. When do secular jews ever call them out for that level of racism? Never.

The communist jews make no bones about insisting that the native culture of whatever country they are living in is racist and backward and needs to be replaced with cosmopolitan views and psychotherapy and anti-racism and more immigration.

Pro-choice Chuck Schumer went to a fund raiser for Efrat, an israeli anti-abortion group that only tries to council agains abortions by jews.

Capitalist millionaire Wall Street banker Jacob Schiff funded the Bolshevik revolution a hundred years ago. Capitalist billionaire George Soros funds communist revolutions in other countries today. The talk out of both sides of their mouth. They are jews first. There are factions of jews to be sure. One group wants to take over America through communist government, another wants to take over America through Wall Street. It appears they met in the middle.

They have been itinerants living in other people’s countries for most of the last 3000 years. They do not think about the world the way you do. You’re people have developed a strategy that suits a settled agrarian lifestyle (I assume) . That is not their strategy. There are real cognitive differences between groups of humans. We observe them as cultural differences but they are in fact physical and genetic in nature. That is my belief anyway.

A guy like E. Michael Jones will say they have a “revolutionary spirit” that could be remedied if they would just convert to catholicism. But I don’t think that worked well in the Spanish reconquista.

Forgive the wall of text.

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Christians were ~10% of the population of Palestine from 1800 until 1947 so that goes to show just how much the jews fucked them over. Their numbers increased under the Ottomans Just to be clear, you're saying the number of Christians has been decreasing under the Israelis? Quick link and forgive my laziness?

Jews could leave. Jews are foreigners with no legitamacy. When Hitler asked the jews to leave in the 1930’s, at least Germans had a decent claim to Germany. German right to expell jews from Germany > Jewish right to expel Palestinians from Palestine.

Well that's the crux of this issue isn't it. I understand your point of view about Germany, but I'll point out that the other way to see the two sides of the scale are: citizens of a country being expelled vs non-citizen residents after a territory change being expelled. I'm not saying it's right, but I am saying that country changes do happen. I wouldn't fault Russia for kicking out their hardline communists, for instance.

When you say they created this situation, there are 3 ways to split the blame A) Israel for kicking residents out B) surrounding nations that refused to take said ethnically, culturally, and religiously similar peoples, and C) the people themselves who chose to ignore the lawful requests to leave. You're choosing A alone but not really discussing why it shouldn't be B+C. I want more than what-about-ism of "the Jews could leave!" Yes, I know they could. So could the other side. But that just makes it look like to sides pointing fingers. I want something more weighty than that to tip the scales. I know others would see it as water under the bridge, but I care about more than mud-flining. I'll settle for mud-flinging, I suppose, if that's all you've got though. That can still tip scales.

Moving in to other people’s countries and demanding that they dismantle whiteness or burning down centuries old churches because that is the opiate of the masses. I recently read an article on a jewish cultural website that bragged about how jewish actresses infiltrated early Bollywood and were able to “pass” as Hindus and play overtly sexual characters that hindu actresses were unwilling to play. These characters helped “liberate” women’s sexuality in India and “dismantle the patriarchy”. They do it wherever they go.

Now that is disgusting. Unfortunately due to being in bed with hardcore leftism, showing this to said Jews (or any other leftists, really) would not bother then at all. They'd cheer it. So while I agree with you about how damning this is, it's not useful to separate the Jewishness from the Leftism. Unless you're claiming that Jews do so when other leftists don't? I'll listen to that, but I'm going to need more evidence of the uniqueness or at least disproportionateness.

Spectre( that woman) defends Israel. She thinks it needs special protection.

It's been a while and I don't recognize who that is. I suppose I dug up a conservative Jew? Anyways, the special protection argument is a common one. One you haven't addressed directly when I mentioned the multiple other (neighboring!) muslim countries. Are you going to address this directly?

I'm not going to quote that next part. That's probably the most vile thing I've ever read (coming from Jews). Can I get a link to Schumer saying helping that anti-abortion israeli group? I've heard (and seen first-hand) the 'they are jews first' thing but I'm not sure if that's unusual human behavior. It seems like every ethnic group does this, probably out of survival instincts.

Was there some great betrayal I'm unaware of from converted Jews in Spain? I can't take the Spanish inquisition seriously, especially after that song...

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    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree, europeans stole Native Americans’ countries. I think maybe 90% of them were actually poor peasants trying to escape the aristocracy, but that’s just details.

    Im not against full blooded or close to full blood native americans having at least some of their ancestral lands returned to them if they want full independence. Just as long as you understand that a guy that is 1/3 Mayan has zero claim to land inhabited by the Iroquois.

    If youre serious about the proposition you will have to consider how independent N.A. nations will be economically viable since their previous largely hunter gatherer economies are now probably unacceptable for them to resume and their culture has been largely destroyed. Unfortunately they have become overly dependent on whites economically, but that is their problem if they want to go it alone. I think its reasonable for non-native Americans to cede land to them, if they want. economic and political independence.

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      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Omar was right that Zionist Jews did 9/11.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Jewish Zionist owned Thegatewaypundit cries anti-Semitism when Jews are not Semitic and Israel is a corporatiom that shouldn't exist.

      [–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The state of Israel is guilty of ethnic cleansing and should be held accountable by the international community. Unfortunately that is not possible because jews around the world who have an insane amount of power in western countries prevent any accountability for isreal.

      I suspect that this latest aggression, however, is simply the result of Israel's current war in syria.

      [–]Tarrock 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      There's a lesson to be learned here about the monster you created turning against you.

      [–]Soloninja 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I forgot democrats usually don't believe in self defense. Dumbasses

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Israel should cease to exist. Crappy sub-franchise corporation.

      [–]Brewdabier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Just a while ago I said this

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It is nice when the nutty left bite the hand that feeds them.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Israel shouldn't exist.

      [–]Tigerbitecrazy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I used to enjoy this site....won't be visiting anything posted from there anytime soon. Didn't expect to see the pundit shilling for terrorists but we live in some back-asswards times so I should've expected it.