Why is Communism STILL Debated?

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Care to give a thorough explanation of what you consider the criteria for "real" white Western/European Western enlightenment culture is?

[–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

That would take a while, and i wouldnt articulate it perfectly but mostly greek/roman heritage and the renaissance that tried to revive that heritage with a foundation of logic, reason and secular thinking. There's literally a reason why people outside the west are borderline animals yet i know many people on here look on with envy over the sand people, their huts and the "patriarchy" since they basically gave up on modernity. That culture, although it rules our institutions as the basic software for our government has never been the culture of the poor. The poor, which i suspect most people here are, were just the beasts of burden and donkeys that the "elite" rode the backs of for war and labour.

You have the heritage of the villagers that lived under the people who had access to true western (white) culture that they created off your backs. and you never let go of your village culture of barbarism, mud, mysticism, religion and patriarchy. It's literally your culture but you refuse to practice it since you prefer the culture of your great great great great great grandmother, who was more pig than human and lived like an animal and you insist on THAT being your heritage; the religion (which your leaders considered garbage but needed to share with you to manipulate you), your "patriarchy": they respected their women as scholars who could go to universities and contribute to their elite culture...while your women were, again, more pigs than human. You're highly gendered, which is necessary and they made it the core of your personality and you still carry that heritage till this day and are proud of it: the truck nuts, the fake hyper masculinity and the cowardice that comes with it, flag waving stooges. This is just your heritage from the old days when you needed to be wilder beasts for the elite to ride on your backs into battle and practically put their saddles on you and your women needed to be breeding factories and you still practice this with the "the nation will FALL if not all men are wilder beasts!" and you ALWAYS let the rich put their saddles on you to ride you into battle...ALWAYS and if any straight male questions this strange gender stuff, he's immediately a communist/faggot and you eat him alive, which again, very impressive programming from the elites into you.

Point is, you create these extremes. Most straight men are lost and so are straight women. You have access to the culture that makes white people superior to the rest of the world but you dont practice it because you're too busy trying to preserve your village hut people culture and you GIVE your culture to liberals, willingly. Im gay and the perfect example to show you how you destroy yourself in this culture war is when you reverted back to your wilder beast identity in your fight against gays. You GAVE gays the opera, you GAVE gays art, poetry, the humanities, beauty, elegance, fashion in your culture war with us. I dont know why the fuck in gods name you think that benefited you but every time you get pissed, you regress back to your tribal identity in the culture wars and it causes great damage to you and your tribal identity is mud hut people. And when you reemerged from the culture war with gays, we got everything and you got.....truck nuts, flag waving, and you accidently popularized black ghetto fashion of gigantic shoes, sagging pants and ebonics because you know...armani, dior, versace and everything else was gay dominion lol This is a very small example but you're doing the exact same thing with liberals. You're giving them everything and reverting back to some primitive religion that doesnt even belong in the west, patriarchy and misogyny (and homophobia). Conservatives are important and if someone waved a wand and magically made you all disappear, the nation would collapse in less than 5 seconds. Not because of your stupid religion, or your patriarchal bullshit or homophobia or whatever but most people who think theyre liberals are just anti conservatives and nothing else. theyre too low IQ to be liberals. Black people thinking theyre liberals are incredibly funny. It's like a gorilla wearing a suit. Theyre literally the most psychotic, bigoted and ass backwards people on the planet. Women arent really liberals either from what i've seen and dont really believe in feminism and just use it to push for power through victimhood. It's just a highly unstable coalition of people who arent welcomed into the conservative world because they have no heritage to protect.

You also practice capitalism...which is ok i guess but you cant be a nationalist and practice capitalism and blame its effects on liberals. One of your most powerful gods is a meat company. Bigger than jesus and more powerful than your presidents. It's called cargill. And yes, you have gods. Theyre called mega corporations. You personally praise and worship them as evidenced by the idiots on here reciting their scriptures and propaganda. So cargill needs unlimited dirty poor savages to work its factories. White people refuse to do slave labour (as they should), so what does cargill do? Does it say: "you dirty white cockroaches! i demand you work for $2/ hour!" No. No it doesnt. It creates propaganda for you to say, "oh, beautiful kind heterosexual male! LOOK at those liberals who are basically communists! We believe in hard work! Help us! Help us by passing bills deregulating this and this and everything! We also hate gays! Dont you hate gays and every other piece of shit out there? Lets be best buddies!"...so you hug them and pass their legislation for pro capitalism bullshit. Ok, and what does that do? Cargill floods your nation with 20 million mexicans and latinos to work in their factories and you lose your shit and the mass illegal immigration. You want these people pushed out, expelled, jailed or executed and you dont understand how they came here and the retard white liberal brigade asks you to be nice and you end up blaming it on liberals or jews or the illuminati. This is just a small microcosm of how your brain works. Im not a communist or socialist but im also not fucking stupid and can see how capitalism creates massive rot and you end up blaming the problem on liberals (who are too low to be liberals anyways)

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Ah. The "you people" argument displayed in yet another format.

White Americans are generally a mix of European ethnicity, so I'm not sure why you continue to carry on about a very specific blend of European culture (especially when both of those cultures proved to have aspects just as barbaric as how you claim the current culture you're addressing is). Europe wasn't and isn't just Greece and Rome, and expecting someone to "follow their culture" while pointing to the entire continent is stupid. There are the arts, philosophy, and other "higher class" aspects of society that can be pursued. Not everyone is suited towards them though. You could make an attempt to thoroughly educate everyone within a society, but it'll be an exercise in frustration once it's realized that not all people have the same learning abilities, and not everyone puts information together the same way. This is why there are different professions and jobs, and why there are a blue billion different specializations. Until a system is created that uses some sort of robotics to perform "slave" tasks, there will be people needed to perform them. Most people don't want to perform those jobs because they pay poorly, and they have high rates of injury. Who wants to be permanently crippled by their job role and only have Workers Comp to rely on to save the day? Illegals are given most of these jobs so that someone up the ladder saves money, this isn't a system of brotherhood-- it's a system of "what makes me the most money?". We operate in a society where the value of a human life is vastly exaggerated, meanwhile while that same life's operation and ability to exist is completely ignored. What do you propose we do about that?

Logic is to lipids, as the arts are to water. Sure, you can add an emulsifier in there to mix them-- but humans aren't ingredients in a recipe and we don't all share the same hivemind. This results in war (no matter what), lust for power (no matter what), and social structures that don't end up working out. If you want a society of people that only pursues logic and reasoning, you must neuter them emotionally. Once the individuals in that society are neutered of emotion, you will no longer have the arts. No one "gave the gays" the arts. Regarding fashion designers, the only thing that I can think of is those ugly ass handbags that everyone is obsessed with gold stamps of tacky prints. Most things considered to be high fashion are tacky, frankly. The clothing style that you're describing with sagging pants and ebonics comes from either deeply rooted methed out white trash, or rich white kids that worship black culture while shitting on it and pretending to be better.

It's laughable to see you bring up misogyny when you just referred to the great (and so on) grandmothers of people here as pigs, of their women in past cultures as pigs, and saying that most straight women are lost. I suppose that misogyny doesn't count as long as the women don't meet your standards.

Religion is a tool used to keep people driven and controlled. Still, it gives many people hope, regardless of your personal feelings on it. Religion is the driving force behind atrocities on a global scale throughout history too. Belief is a powerful motivator for both art and violence. I'll agree with you regarding capitalism creating massive rot, but that rot has many spores that helped to create it.

[–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"white europeans are a mix of different european ethnicities and europe isnt and wasnt greek/roman and you're generalizing an entire continent" ahhh, yes. The smelly barbarians and mountain people who eat rocks in eastern europe is who i was clearly referring to and not the people whose culture was responsible for forming our highly sophisticated and complex institutions which no other civilization has matched and has to concede and adopt those institutions to achieve a 1st world nation.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

My point was that when you have a mixed ethnicity (even if it's all European), that there's different cultures and subcultures throughout the entirety of Europe. Different architecture, different styles of art, different philosophies, different social structures all contributed towards what we have today-- not just 2, and not just the only ones that you personally consider important.

You ignored the rest of what I typed and just chose to attempt a pissing contest instead. High five.

[–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

you're being purposefully obtuse while pretending not to get what "elite" european culture is. A lot of what typical "straight white males" and the culture they worship is just mud hut village mountain people culture and doesnt reflect the greatness of the achievements of their people. You're doing the whole, "but...jiminy willickers! How? HOW can we possibly tell WHICH parts of our culture are superior and elite and which parts arent?"...you're playing a game of cultural relativism with me (which you're supposed to pretend to hate..arent you?) by trying to give me the "we're all blended and all european cultures are equal" bullshit. The cultures are divided by socioeconomic status and class and the village hut people is what a lot of people on here only have access to: religion, highly gendered personalities; i always thought straight men were crazy when i was younger for being so worried about women gaining power because in my mind, how can they be different? "Theyre just human beings with different genitals!?"...and the way you gender yourselves is primitive..and it ends up harming gay kids as well. Highly gendered women are obnoxious and so are highly gendered men. It's no wonder you people hate each other so much.

Again, you're trying to escape my charge that the conservatives of the west are mostly people with a highly degenerate culture that goes back to the barbarism of mud hut mountain people which the "elites" rightly regarded as dangerously subhuman apes and pigs. And you insist on pushing that heritage and tying it to your race. You love the accomplishments of your people (as you should) but dont understand where that superiority comes from. And funny how the more i poke at you, the more you end up sounding like the liberals you despise with your "we're all blended" speech. No, europe is not blended. And i can tell you're from north america because you have no idea the culture wars tearing europe apart now. You probably just watch the "muslims are invading europe" breitbart bullshit and they wont explain why. Once again, it's not the "nice" "cock sucking" liberals who demand the muslims come into their countries to "cuck" them, it's the hyper capitalism you love worshipping as conservatives bringing them in for cheap labour. Their muslims are our mexicans. And SURPRISE!!!!!! it's their agricultural industries that DEMAND this. Since you're probably not interested in reading, try watching some documentaries on youtube of examples of italian corporations demanding these people flood in and the idiotic conservatives crying "liberals are victimizing us by not allowing corporations unlimited power! they want to spread the wealth to blue haired people! suck corporate dick even harder..that'll show those gays!" ...so, you dont want flooding of immigrants who hate your guts and your race but you love capitalism and so do most of the people on here. You people will screw yourselves over worse than the liberals could ever do to you. Most of you people get your news from conservative outlets that are overwhelmingly funded by corporations. Liberals are hyper retarded but conservatives are the ones who are most manipulated by corporations to destroy their nations since they follow the propaganda of "you hate big government!? So do we! you hate the institutions that run all of western civilization because you want to bring back your mud hut village culture back of christianity, patriarchy and barbarism? Well, we hate how sophisticated these institutions are and how they wont let us destroy your nation! Lets partner together against the liberals!"

You dont need to be a liberal but you also dont need to be an idiot. And liberals are starting to hate liberalism not because of the values but the people it invites in who arent liberal and dont believe in its principals.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This. This is why we can't have nice things. I tried laying out my points logically, and you insisted on being insulting, emotional and kind of shitty. Darn. Guess that blows that whole men being creatures of logic and reason argument right out of the water.

You made assumptions about someone replying to your comment. Asinine assumptions. You continued on and misinterpreted what I said, then drove off with it like an F-150 with truck nuts. How do you propose to successfully inform anyone of your point of view when all of your comments end up as personal attacks?

"White" is determined by melanin. Anyone can be born white by nature of biology and the enigma that is genetic code. Ethnically European Americans are still Americans. Our ancestors took the boat. We emigrated away from there under whatever shitty circumstances were going on in Europe, or opportunities presented themselves here. There's an ethnic tie, but it's to the individual regions that our ancestors hailed from, not Europe as a whole, and sometimes not even exclusively Europe. Austria doesn't play a role in my heritage if I don't have any ancestry from there, does it? And how absolutely narcissistic it would be for me to take credit for anything done by those that are long dead, ancestral ties or not. I didn't say anything about regions contributing equally-- only that there's many cultures and that many contributed, nor did I say that they're blended. Nice pull towards the victim card though.

You keep bringing up degeneracy as a big operative term in all of this. What is your definition of degeneracy? I never said anything about liberals either, nor a specific hatred towards anyone or anything at all. You're right about me being North American, but I not only have close relatives in Europe, I'm married to an Eastern European. I just described the situation with those coming in from South of the border in my previous comment to you, and I brought up the cheap labor bit then, so why would it be difficult for me to understand that some money hungry party played into the situation going on throughout Europe as well? That's nearly always the case. This isn't an issue of liberals versus conservatives. This is an issue of governments being involved too strongly with big business, and keeping everyone too focused on social issues, material bullshit, and getting off to give a shit about the big picture.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They have been a Saiditor for 2 days. They are either used to shouting their opinions elsewhere or they are here to get people riled up. I think it's the latter. They started by grouping and attacking everyone on this site just to pick a fight.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

the conservatives of the west are mostly people with a highly degenerate culture that goes back to the barbarism of mud hut mountain people which the "elites" rightly regarded as dangerously subhuman apes and pigs.

Hitler, is that you?

[–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

yes, it's gay hitler.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And i can tell you're from north america because you have no idea the culture wars tearing europe apart now. You probably just watch the "muslims are invading europe" breitbart bullshit and they wont explain why. Once again, it's not the "nice" "cock sucking" liberals who demand the muslims come into their countries to "cuck" them, it's the hyper capitalism you love worshipping as conservatives bringing them in for cheap labour. Their muslims are our mexicans.

Most of these Muslim "refugees" are unemployed. The point is not cheap labor - it is to disrupt social cohesion within Europe and to generate support for Zionist wars of aggression.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

mostly greek/roman heritage and the renaissance

This is Classicism and is separate from the Enlightenment, which was really just the supplantation of the aristocracy by the bourgeoisie driven by industrialization.

This is just your heritage from the old days when you needed to be wilder beasts for the elite to ride on your backs into battle and practically put their saddles on you

The world needs ditch diggers.

and your women needed to be breeding factories

This is the one area where they are superior to men. Why take that away from them? We do need to promote and incentivize reproduction - almost every industrial society is undergoing population collapse. This may be alright with automation, but right now it is used as a justification for demographic replacement. It can't be done unilaterally.

and if any straight male questions this strange gender stuff, he's immediately a communist/faggot and you eat him alive, which again, very impressive programming from the elites into you.

This seems like projection.

you GIVE your culture to liberals, willingly.

Western media was captured by Jews over a hundred years ago. Edison tried to stop them.

you accidently popularized black ghetto fashion of gigantic shoes, sagging pants and ebonics because you know...armani, dior, versace and everything else was gay dominion lol

These were popularized by the Jewish media. Hip hop (and country music for that matter) is run by Jews, and designer clothing (conspicuous consumption, to be "nigger-rich") is in fact a part of that. Also, rappers are all fags.

It creates propaganda for you to say, "oh, beautiful kind heterosexual male! LOOK at those liberals who are basically communists! We believe in hard work! Help us! Help us by passing bills deregulating this and this and everything! ...so you hug them and pass their legislation for pro capitalism bullshit. Ok, and what does that do? Cargill floods your nation with 20 million mexicans and latinos to work in their factories and you lose your shit and the mass illegal immigration.

This is a good point. Both parties are controlled by the same handful of billionaires, and exist solely to give the super-rich everything they want and the common people nothing. This sort of reflexive controlled-opposition politics has a name: Finkle-think. Our problems cannot be solved by elections.

We also hate gays! Dont you hate gays and every other piece of shit out there?

Homosexual intercourse produces nothing but death. Whether society accepts you or not doesn't change that.

the retard white liberal brigade asks you to be nice and you end up blaming it on liberals or jews or the illuminati.

To deny Jewish power at this point is to be willfully ignorant. Especially with Biden appointing the most Jewish cabinet in history.