Why is Communism STILL Debated?

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[–]Intuit 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Because true communism hasn't been tried. /s

[–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

That got a good solid laugh out of me.

[–]Canbot 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The education system is full of communists. They hide behind world play and insults. They will constantly rename themselves as socialists, or democratic socialists, or any number of made up nonsense. Then they will claim that YOU are ignorant when you call them out. The stupid young kids fall for that all the time. Especially the ones who still think that what teachers teach is science and anyone who doesn't "learn and repeat" the lesson is stupid. They brainwash these kids with the same marxist propaganda from the earliest age when their brains are still malleable and they never question anything.

They hammer into them a hatred of capitalism. They force them into thinking in a particular way so they accept the argument that if you show that capitalism is bad then anything that is offered as a solution is good. No proof is needed that the solution works, just that capitalism is bad.

They brainwash them in 10 different ways to believe that redistribution is good and moral. That those who have wealth got it through immoral ways and that gives you the right to take it.

They pushed out all the good teachers who would teach them about hard work, personal responsibility, saving, building wealth, building a business, being self sufficient.

They are told that they are stupid if they think they will ever be the wealthy people from whom everything they worked hard for is taken. They are conditioned to think they are born poor, they will never be allowed to succeed and the only way to have things is to take them from those who have them.

TL;DR 12 years of mandatory indoctrination and 4 more to get that useless lib arts degree

[–]Akali 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Kids need to understand that teachers are not paid that well compared to the private market. Therefore, teachers are those who have failed their carrier, failed plan A, plan B and are now at plan C because they have a doctorat.

Always take with a grain of salt what a teacher says, no matter which discipline.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

not paid that well compared to the private market.

I think that is a very loaded way to put it. It implies they aren't paid enough, or "what they are worth" which are extremely subjective and political ideas. I think a better way to put it is that teaching is not a very competitive field, not just because the pay is low, but because it is not prestigious and a lot of men avoid it because men are not trusted with children. I don't think most teachers aspired to be scientists and failed. I think they never aspired to be much at all, and went into teaching to be around kids, have an easy job, have lots of vacation, not do physical labor or have real quotas and measurable performance.

Of those who failed into teaching it probably went more along the lines of not having concrete goals but rather vague notions of wanting to have a job as a biologist or inventor and not really understanding what that means or how to achieve it. Just sort of steering blindly in that direction hoping to run into a career. Then as time went by and it didn't happen they settled into teaching and rationalized how they always really wanted to be a teacher anyway.

I think most would say its hard to become a teacher too, because they applied to all these schools and it took several years to get a job. But realistically they didn't get the job by beating out less qualified competition. It was always just a matter of persistence, because there are so many applicants and so few jobs. They think that is what makes a job competitive. But that's not how it works. You aren't allowed to give IQ tests to hire the best teacher. There is no way to test who is the better teacher, or more intelligent. The only thing that increases your chance of getting hired are diversity points, which just lower the quality of teachers further.

But the real reason they should distrust teachers is not their lack of qualification, but their willingness to lie. The lower the IQ the more willing a person is to lie. The more often they have to do it to hide their mistakes and to get ahead. The more they rely on others and behave in group think and collectivism. That means they value feelings over facts. These are people who will always go with the crowd even when they know it's wrong.

The best example of this is what happened to Bret Weinstein. All the faculty in his school turned on him, and by all accounts he was as liberal as they get, just slightly less willing to be racist in order to go with the crowd. And they all turned on him like a bunch of pack animals that smelled blood.

It's not their stupidity per se that gets them to push propaganda; it's how politically biased, arrogant, and self righteous they are.

[–]Akali 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've got some great point there. I feel like it goes together though. If they both increase the requirement to be a teacher, had IQ test and provided higher wage, it could become a proffessions of merit.

I'm thinking of thing they do in Ireland where in the 60 place in the Senate, 6 chair are only elected by University graduate which give prestige to university degree. They also give many specific group specific voting rights such a farmers and fishery or local towns.

If we want better teachers, we need to make it worth it for the ambitions and talented. Because right now, it isn't.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Because some people are ignorant.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Its mostly the Gen Z kids who support communism.

'It'll be different this time!'

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either that, or they deny the bad parts even happened.

[–]MOCKxTHExCROSS 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because nobody read Gulag Archipelago

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It should be required reading.

[–]Trajan 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Because at a very superficial level it seems a solution to the inequalities inherent to free markets - you can't have winners without losers. Younger people are particularly prone to seeing communism as an amazing solution that simply has not been done right, seeing themselves as having found the one true implementation that would actually work. The reason it skews more this way for younger people is a combination of lack of experience, limited exposure to working life, incomplete brain development, and academia presenting both ideology and an artificial world on which they base their views.

After World War 2 everybody quite rightly condemned National Socialism, with a great deal of research into how ostensibly normal people could be part of it. Given the political leanings of the most prominent researchers, it's not a surprise that they considered this exclusively a right-wing problem. It was only later that further research into the authoritarian personality considered the left. With decades of apologising for and concealing the obvious parallels in communism and other far left ideologies, the left never saw the scrutiny it should have received while filling mass graves pretty much everywhere it was tried. We're now left with people not realising how terrible communism is. Had things been done right, extolling communism would be viewed the way we view people who quibble over the numbers exterminated by the National Socialists.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

After World War 2 everybody quite rightly condemned National Socialism

Many didn't, and many who did didn't do so on their own accord. In order to justify their own atrocities, the Allies had to turn Hitler into a comic book villain. But most Germans who actually lived through that era continue to hold him in high regard.

It was only later that further research into the authoritarian personality considered the left.

"The Authoritarian Personality" is Jewish pseudoscience. It is simply a means of pathologizing White society.

[–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd put it down to Marxism more than Jews. Adorno and friends were mostly Jewish but totally Marxist.

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    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    what's a "white society"?

    The sorts of orderly, high-trust societies that White people create (in Europe, or elsewhere - e.g. USA, Australia, and Rhodesia are still fundamentally "European" in character), along with their basic institutions: patriarchy, monogamy, Christianity, and so on.

    Whites have been killing each others over petty squabbles for centuries just like any other races.

    War is a fact of life. Whites do tend to be better about impulsive violence, though. Over the course of centuries, Whites (and Asians) executed their violent criminals, and this had a lasting effect on the gene pool. Whites (and Asians) have a greater tendency to be obedient and "civilized," and this is a big reason why these societies are nice places to live in, although it's somewhat harmful today - Whites are following their trusted authorities and institutions, which have become corrupted, to their doom.

    I don't think so. Hitler was a mad man and a complete incompetent, a bit like Trump.

    Trump is not a dumb guy, but he's also no Hitler. Trump was a client of Jeffrey Epstein, thus he was subject to the whims of Jewry. They noticed a rising current of nationalism, and Trump arrived to be a sponge, to absorb and neutralize White identitarianism.

    And a coward, since he committed suicide... at least his generals had the decency to let themselves be executed.

    Goebbels, Goering, and Himmler also allegedly killed themselves. I won't fault anyone for choosing to avoid torture at the hands of Bolshevik Jews. And there are many traditions of honourable suicide - seppuku, Socrates, Masada. Although, I do entertain the idea that he retired to Brazil.

    [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    it seems a solution to the inequalities inherent to free markets

    Inequality is inherent in literally everything. Even in a communist dictatorship there is inequality. China is communist and still has Billionaires. None of the systems they propose actually get rid of inequality at all. It is an impossible thing to do. So, no, it's not about that. That is just a platitude.

    [–]Akali 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed, IQ create inequality for carreer and productivity, same for physical look and the dating market or for good genetic and hereditary disease. It's impossible to get rid of all inequality and if done it would be through tyranical coertion.

    [–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    True, but in principle they believe that communism/socialism will bring equality. By contrast, free markets are based on competition. Of course we know that these beliefs have not exactly translated into reality whenever they've had a chance to implement their childish ideologies.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's the thing though, even a cursory exploration reveals that these systems always fail to improve the lives of anyone except the few who are in power. Someone is knowingly spreading lies. Those who have the power to spread these ideas know better, they do it anyway. The question is why do THEY do it.

    [–]simpliyoot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    how can you play a corrupt game? No one is asking for hand outs but when corporations dont end up acting like businesses but corrupt political centers, then no one accepts being a loser because they never even got to play in the game. Large businesses were once small ones. So please, go ahead and explain how your best interests align with a mega corporation whose isnt to create or do anything regarding selling products but to make sure no one else gets to build a business?

    [–]wristaction 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    The flame of communism will flicker for as long as there are fourteen year-old boys who are passed over in Spin-The-Bottle and twenty year-old girls who don't think their father's take their emotions seriously enough.

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    What?

    [–]Bigs 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Ultimately we are social animals, used to living in communities. We're hard-wired to respond positively to that which promises community and fairness, because we're fair, communal creatures.

    If we still lived in communities of 150 people that would be OK, maybe, but we're not. Communism is cancer in the real world.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That explains why communist propaganda is enticing, but it does not explain the origins of that propaganda or why so many people are brainwashed by it in light of so much evidence against it. For example, every single kid can understand how inherently unfair it would be to give ever single kid in the class the same grade regardless of how much work they put in. Yet somehow they are all brainwashed to believe that redistribution is fair. This contradiction is the result of brainwashing. By whom? For what reason? Answer those questions to understand why communism is still discussed.

    [–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well that's obvious and well-known' it's Cultural Marxism by the Frankfurt School. I was getting at why it's so easy to pull it off.

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I know we're talking about communism, but socialism is necessary for healthy small communities, but does not work when scaled up in size. Communism doesn't always work, even in small communities, due to centralized absolute power.

    [–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Communism doesn't work because it cannot calculate the value of things.

    Why do you think socialism is necessary?

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I should have said voluntary socialism. Communities have to have people who help each other to be functioning. Once you mandate socialism, it isn't really socialism anymore.

    [–]UnexpectedTransmissi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Because some people were neglected as children and they're continually seeking a good childhood, where your needs are met by caring parents. They project this onto society and the state and expect what they never got. They don't realize that it's an internal battle they need to fight.

    Plus ignorance and jealousy.

    [–]simpliyoot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

    I'm a gay liberal atheist so im practically an alien here and what you people would most likely consider a demon. Im from "lgbdroptheT", a part of saidit that was banned from reddit for thinking transexuality is not a proper solution to gender dysphoria. Im not a communist or a socialist but how can you people be so fucking irredeemably stupid that you wouldnt understand why communism wouldnt be making a comeback after the degeneracy of capitalism to whichever nation youre in? Although most liberals are stupid, i can see right through you. You dont even believe in capitalism and the degeneracy that comes with it but you stick to it because it's better than the alternative to you: siding with your enemies (the coalition of culture war armies of fascist blacks, manipulative jews, banshee feminist women and crazy homosexuals)..im guessing thats your perception.

    You choose capitalism and then when it turns degenerate and creates a rotting stench within your nation, you look for scapegoats (people who legitimately hate you...they dont always have to be innocent). Capitalism leads to extreme hyper atomized individualism and you can disconnect from it for a small while in your tribal collective (im assuming white christian male??) but it will eventually turn everything you value into pure rotting garbage, and instead of fixing it, you create such an extreme that the only alternative seems to be even more degenerate communists.

    Why cant the people on this garbage site ever be serious? Why cant you provide a better alternative to the left? So many people on the left want to leave it but you people...you're rotting human garbage. You're trash incarnate. You're just pure filth so anytime a liberal wants to look outside the window to see if the grass is greener on the other side, they see garbage like you and just murmur at the lack of an alternative. Just LOOK at you.

    When i look at this site, i see anti vaxxers, retards, christians...literally no heterosexual male here even represents the most superior culture formed by human kind: the european enlightenment and its heritage. Im assuming most people here are so fucking poor they dont even have access to "real" white western culture and some liberal monkey with rainbow clown hair acted so retarded that it pissed you off and now you're here.

    There's so much wrong with the people in the liberal community that if you really wanted, you could tear the community apart into a thousand different pieces but you cant because you're too stupid, and your alternative isnt the apex of humanity: european western englightenment culture...no, your alternative is POOR, degenerate, POOR, christian, POOR, dirty, POOR, uneducated right wing republican POOR people culture easily manipulated by corporations by paying someone like ted cruz to lead you. You're not an alternative to liberals and what they offer.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Care to give a thorough explanation of what you consider the criteria for "real" white Western/European Western enlightenment culture is?

    [–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    That would take a while, and i wouldnt articulate it perfectly but mostly greek/roman heritage and the renaissance that tried to revive that heritage with a foundation of logic, reason and secular thinking. There's literally a reason why people outside the west are borderline animals yet i know many people on here look on with envy over the sand people, their huts and the "patriarchy" since they basically gave up on modernity. That culture, although it rules our institutions as the basic software for our government has never been the culture of the poor. The poor, which i suspect most people here are, were just the beasts of burden and donkeys that the "elite" rode the backs of for war and labour.

    You have the heritage of the villagers that lived under the people who had access to true western (white) culture that they created off your backs. and you never let go of your village culture of barbarism, mud, mysticism, religion and patriarchy. It's literally your culture but you refuse to practice it since you prefer the culture of your great great great great great grandmother, who was more pig than human and lived like an animal and you insist on THAT being your heritage; the religion (which your leaders considered garbage but needed to share with you to manipulate you), your "patriarchy": they respected their women as scholars who could go to universities and contribute to their elite culture...while your women were, again, more pigs than human. You're highly gendered, which is necessary and they made it the core of your personality and you still carry that heritage till this day and are proud of it: the truck nuts, the fake hyper masculinity and the cowardice that comes with it, flag waving stooges. This is just your heritage from the old days when you needed to be wilder beasts for the elite to ride on your backs into battle and practically put their saddles on you and your women needed to be breeding factories and you still practice this with the "the nation will FALL if not all men are wilder beasts!" and you ALWAYS let the rich put their saddles on you to ride you into battle...ALWAYS and if any straight male questions this strange gender stuff, he's immediately a communist/faggot and you eat him alive, which again, very impressive programming from the elites into you.

    Point is, you create these extremes. Most straight men are lost and so are straight women. You have access to the culture that makes white people superior to the rest of the world but you dont practice it because you're too busy trying to preserve your village hut people culture and you GIVE your culture to liberals, willingly. Im gay and the perfect example to show you how you destroy yourself in this culture war is when you reverted back to your wilder beast identity in your fight against gays. You GAVE gays the opera, you GAVE gays art, poetry, the humanities, beauty, elegance, fashion in your culture war with us. I dont know why the fuck in gods name you think that benefited you but every time you get pissed, you regress back to your tribal identity in the culture wars and it causes great damage to you and your tribal identity is mud hut people. And when you reemerged from the culture war with gays, we got everything and you got.....truck nuts, flag waving, and you accidently popularized black ghetto fashion of gigantic shoes, sagging pants and ebonics because you know...armani, dior, versace and everything else was gay dominion lol This is a very small example but you're doing the exact same thing with liberals. You're giving them everything and reverting back to some primitive religion that doesnt even belong in the west, patriarchy and misogyny (and homophobia). Conservatives are important and if someone waved a wand and magically made you all disappear, the nation would collapse in less than 5 seconds. Not because of your stupid religion, or your patriarchal bullshit or homophobia or whatever but most people who think theyre liberals are just anti conservatives and nothing else. theyre too low IQ to be liberals. Black people thinking theyre liberals are incredibly funny. It's like a gorilla wearing a suit. Theyre literally the most psychotic, bigoted and ass backwards people on the planet. Women arent really liberals either from what i've seen and dont really believe in feminism and just use it to push for power through victimhood. It's just a highly unstable coalition of people who arent welcomed into the conservative world because they have no heritage to protect.

    You also practice capitalism...which is ok i guess but you cant be a nationalist and practice capitalism and blame its effects on liberals. One of your most powerful gods is a meat company. Bigger than jesus and more powerful than your presidents. It's called cargill. And yes, you have gods. Theyre called mega corporations. You personally praise and worship them as evidenced by the idiots on here reciting their scriptures and propaganda. So cargill needs unlimited dirty poor savages to work its factories. White people refuse to do slave labour (as they should), so what does cargill do? Does it say: "you dirty white cockroaches! i demand you work for $2/ hour!" No. No it doesnt. It creates propaganda for you to say, "oh, beautiful kind heterosexual male! LOOK at those liberals who are basically communists! We believe in hard work! Help us! Help us by passing bills deregulating this and this and everything! We also hate gays! Dont you hate gays and every other piece of shit out there? Lets be best buddies!"...so you hug them and pass their legislation for pro capitalism bullshit. Ok, and what does that do? Cargill floods your nation with 20 million mexicans and latinos to work in their factories and you lose your shit and the mass illegal immigration. You want these people pushed out, expelled, jailed or executed and you dont understand how they came here and the retard white liberal brigade asks you to be nice and you end up blaming it on liberals or jews or the illuminati. This is just a small microcosm of how your brain works. Im not a communist or socialist but im also not fucking stupid and can see how capitalism creates massive rot and you end up blaming the problem on liberals (who are too low to be liberals anyways)

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Ah. The "you people" argument displayed in yet another format.

    White Americans are generally a mix of European ethnicity, so I'm not sure why you continue to carry on about a very specific blend of European culture (especially when both of those cultures proved to have aspects just as barbaric as how you claim the current culture you're addressing is). Europe wasn't and isn't just Greece and Rome, and expecting someone to "follow their culture" while pointing to the entire continent is stupid. There are the arts, philosophy, and other "higher class" aspects of society that can be pursued. Not everyone is suited towards them though. You could make an attempt to thoroughly educate everyone within a society, but it'll be an exercise in frustration once it's realized that not all people have the same learning abilities, and not everyone puts information together the same way. This is why there are different professions and jobs, and why there are a blue billion different specializations. Until a system is created that uses some sort of robotics to perform "slave" tasks, there will be people needed to perform them. Most people don't want to perform those jobs because they pay poorly, and they have high rates of injury. Who wants to be permanently crippled by their job role and only have Workers Comp to rely on to save the day? Illegals are given most of these jobs so that someone up the ladder saves money, this isn't a system of brotherhood-- it's a system of "what makes me the most money?". We operate in a society where the value of a human life is vastly exaggerated, meanwhile while that same life's operation and ability to exist is completely ignored. What do you propose we do about that?

    Logic is to lipids, as the arts are to water. Sure, you can add an emulsifier in there to mix them-- but humans aren't ingredients in a recipe and we don't all share the same hivemind. This results in war (no matter what), lust for power (no matter what), and social structures that don't end up working out. If you want a society of people that only pursues logic and reasoning, you must neuter them emotionally. Once the individuals in that society are neutered of emotion, you will no longer have the arts. No one "gave the gays" the arts. Regarding fashion designers, the only thing that I can think of is those ugly ass handbags that everyone is obsessed with gold stamps of tacky prints. Most things considered to be high fashion are tacky, frankly. The clothing style that you're describing with sagging pants and ebonics comes from either deeply rooted methed out white trash, or rich white kids that worship black culture while shitting on it and pretending to be better.

    It's laughable to see you bring up misogyny when you just referred to the great (and so on) grandmothers of people here as pigs, of their women in past cultures as pigs, and saying that most straight women are lost. I suppose that misogyny doesn't count as long as the women don't meet your standards.

    Religion is a tool used to keep people driven and controlled. Still, it gives many people hope, regardless of your personal feelings on it. Religion is the driving force behind atrocities on a global scale throughout history too. Belief is a powerful motivator for both art and violence. I'll agree with you regarding capitalism creating massive rot, but that rot has many spores that helped to create it.

    [–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    "white europeans are a mix of different european ethnicities and europe isnt and wasnt greek/roman and you're generalizing an entire continent" ahhh, yes. The smelly barbarians and mountain people who eat rocks in eastern europe is who i was clearly referring to and not the people whose culture was responsible for forming our highly sophisticated and complex institutions which no other civilization has matched and has to concede and adopt those institutions to achieve a 1st world nation.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    My point was that when you have a mixed ethnicity (even if it's all European), that there's different cultures and subcultures throughout the entirety of Europe. Different architecture, different styles of art, different philosophies, different social structures all contributed towards what we have today-- not just 2, and not just the only ones that you personally consider important.

    You ignored the rest of what I typed and just chose to attempt a pissing contest instead. High five.

    [–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    you're being purposefully obtuse while pretending not to get what "elite" european culture is. A lot of what typical "straight white males" and the culture they worship is just mud hut village mountain people culture and doesnt reflect the greatness of the achievements of their people. You're doing the whole, "but...jiminy willickers! How? HOW can we possibly tell WHICH parts of our culture are superior and elite and which parts arent?"...you're playing a game of cultural relativism with me (which you're supposed to pretend to hate..arent you?) by trying to give me the "we're all blended and all european cultures are equal" bullshit. The cultures are divided by socioeconomic status and class and the village hut people is what a lot of people on here only have access to: religion, highly gendered personalities; i always thought straight men were crazy when i was younger for being so worried about women gaining power because in my mind, how can they be different? "Theyre just human beings with different genitals!?"...and the way you gender yourselves is primitive..and it ends up harming gay kids as well. Highly gendered women are obnoxious and so are highly gendered men. It's no wonder you people hate each other so much.

    Again, you're trying to escape my charge that the conservatives of the west are mostly people with a highly degenerate culture that goes back to the barbarism of mud hut mountain people which the "elites" rightly regarded as dangerously subhuman apes and pigs. And you insist on pushing that heritage and tying it to your race. You love the accomplishments of your people (as you should) but dont understand where that superiority comes from. And funny how the more i poke at you, the more you end up sounding like the liberals you despise with your "we're all blended" speech. No, europe is not blended. And i can tell you're from north america because you have no idea the culture wars tearing europe apart now. You probably just watch the "muslims are invading europe" breitbart bullshit and they wont explain why. Once again, it's not the "nice" "cock sucking" liberals who demand the muslims come into their countries to "cuck" them, it's the hyper capitalism you love worshipping as conservatives bringing them in for cheap labour. Their muslims are our mexicans. And SURPRISE!!!!!! it's their agricultural industries that DEMAND this. Since you're probably not interested in reading, try watching some documentaries on youtube of examples of italian corporations demanding these people flood in and the idiotic conservatives crying "liberals are victimizing us by not allowing corporations unlimited power! they want to spread the wealth to blue haired people! suck corporate dick even harder..that'll show those gays!" ...so, you dont want flooding of immigrants who hate your guts and your race but you love capitalism and so do most of the people on here. You people will screw yourselves over worse than the liberals could ever do to you. Most of you people get your news from conservative outlets that are overwhelmingly funded by corporations. Liberals are hyper retarded but conservatives are the ones who are most manipulated by corporations to destroy their nations since they follow the propaganda of "you hate big government!? So do we! you hate the institutions that run all of western civilization because you want to bring back your mud hut village culture back of christianity, patriarchy and barbarism? Well, we hate how sophisticated these institutions are and how they wont let us destroy your nation! Lets partner together against the liberals!"

    You dont need to be a liberal but you also dont need to be an idiot. And liberals are starting to hate liberalism not because of the values but the people it invites in who arent liberal and dont believe in its principals.

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    This. This is why we can't have nice things. I tried laying out my points logically, and you insisted on being insulting, emotional and kind of shitty. Darn. Guess that blows that whole men being creatures of logic and reason argument right out of the water.

    You made assumptions about someone replying to your comment. Asinine assumptions. You continued on and misinterpreted what I said, then drove off with it like an F-150 with truck nuts. How do you propose to successfully inform anyone of your point of view when all of your comments end up as personal attacks?

    "White" is determined by melanin. Anyone can be born white by nature of biology and the enigma that is genetic code. Ethnically European Americans are still Americans. Our ancestors took the boat. We emigrated away from there under whatever shitty circumstances were going on in Europe, or opportunities presented themselves here. There's an ethnic tie, but it's to the individual regions that our ancestors hailed from, not Europe as a whole, and sometimes not even exclusively Europe. Austria doesn't play a role in my heritage if I don't have any ancestry from there, does it? And how absolutely narcissistic it would be for me to take credit for anything done by those that are long dead, ancestral ties or not. I didn't say anything about regions contributing equally-- only that there's many cultures and that many contributed, nor did I say that they're blended. Nice pull towards the victim card though.

    You keep bringing up degeneracy as a big operative term in all of this. What is your definition of degeneracy? I never said anything about liberals either, nor a specific hatred towards anyone or anything at all. You're right about me being North American, but I not only have close relatives in Europe, I'm married to an Eastern European. I just described the situation with those coming in from South of the border in my previous comment to you, and I brought up the cheap labor bit then, so why would it be difficult for me to understand that some money hungry party played into the situation going on throughout Europe as well? That's nearly always the case. This isn't an issue of liberals versus conservatives. This is an issue of governments being involved too strongly with big business, and keeping everyone too focused on social issues, material bullshit, and getting off to give a shit about the big picture.

    [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They have been a Saiditor for 2 days. They are either used to shouting their opinions elsewhere or they are here to get people riled up. I think it's the latter. They started by grouping and attacking everyone on this site just to pick a fight.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    the conservatives of the west are mostly people with a highly degenerate culture that goes back to the barbarism of mud hut mountain people which the "elites" rightly regarded as dangerously subhuman apes and pigs.

    Hitler, is that you?

    [–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    yes, it's gay hitler.

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    And i can tell you're from north america because you have no idea the culture wars tearing europe apart now. You probably just watch the "muslims are invading europe" breitbart bullshit and they wont explain why. Once again, it's not the "nice" "cock sucking" liberals who demand the muslims come into their countries to "cuck" them, it's the hyper capitalism you love worshipping as conservatives bringing them in for cheap labour. Their muslims are our mexicans.

    Most of these Muslim "refugees" are unemployed. The point is not cheap labor - it is to disrupt social cohesion within Europe and to generate support for Zionist wars of aggression.

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    mostly greek/roman heritage and the renaissance

    This is Classicism and is separate from the Enlightenment, which was really just the supplantation of the aristocracy by the bourgeoisie driven by industrialization.

    This is just your heritage from the old days when you needed to be wilder beasts for the elite to ride on your backs into battle and practically put their saddles on you

    The world needs ditch diggers.

    and your women needed to be breeding factories

    This is the one area where they are superior to men. Why take that away from them? We do need to promote and incentivize reproduction - almost every industrial society is undergoing population collapse. This may be alright with automation, but right now it is used as a justification for demographic replacement. It can't be done unilaterally.

    and if any straight male questions this strange gender stuff, he's immediately a communist/faggot and you eat him alive, which again, very impressive programming from the elites into you.

    This seems like projection.

    you GIVE your culture to liberals, willingly.

    Western media was captured by Jews over a hundred years ago. Edison tried to stop them.

    you accidently popularized black ghetto fashion of gigantic shoes, sagging pants and ebonics because you know...armani, dior, versace and everything else was gay dominion lol

    These were popularized by the Jewish media. Hip hop (and country music for that matter) is run by Jews, and designer clothing (conspicuous consumption, to be "nigger-rich") is in fact a part of that. Also, rappers are all fags.

    It creates propaganda for you to say, "oh, beautiful kind heterosexual male! LOOK at those liberals who are basically communists! We believe in hard work! Help us! Help us by passing bills deregulating this and this and everything! ...so you hug them and pass their legislation for pro capitalism bullshit. Ok, and what does that do? Cargill floods your nation with 20 million mexicans and latinos to work in their factories and you lose your shit and the mass illegal immigration.

    This is a good point. Both parties are controlled by the same handful of billionaires, and exist solely to give the super-rich everything they want and the common people nothing. This sort of reflexive controlled-opposition politics has a name: Finkle-think. Our problems cannot be solved by elections.

    We also hate gays! Dont you hate gays and every other piece of shit out there?

    Homosexual intercourse produces nothing but death. Whether society accepts you or not doesn't change that.

    the retard white liberal brigade asks you to be nice and you end up blaming it on liberals or jews or the illuminati.

    To deny Jewish power at this point is to be willfully ignorant. Especially with Biden appointing the most Jewish cabinet in history.

    [–]enefi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm a gay liberal atheist so im practically an alien here and what you people would most likely consider a demon. im assuming white christian male??

    According to several political tests I am a (classic) liberal with a bit of nationalism. No, I am not a Nazi as "enlightened" twitter users would instantly write (on most tests just 5-10% off center), I am just not a fan of open borders, uncontrolled immigration and my country losing its identity. I am not a christian, but yeah, I am a white heterosexual male.

    Im assuming most people here are so fucking poor they dont even have access to "real" white western culture and some liberal monkey with rainbow clown hair acted so retarded that it pissed you off and now you're here.

    I am not wealthy, but I wouldn't say I am poor. I am here, because I believe in free speech and strongly dislike censorship and manipulation which currently overflows on mainstream "social" networks like Reddit, Twitter or YouTube and spills into fields and hobbies like software development, series and gaming. No, no "liberal" pissed me off, I am mostly a lurker (most negative experience was someone calling me evil because I used a clown pepe as a test image in a documentation of my tiny application, that was pretty mild and I am still unsure if it wasn't a troll). I was born into a communism and while I don't remember much from it, I learned a lot about it from older relatives, in school and from documentaries. I dislike how authoritarian are becoming countries in EU and US, so I am here to see how things really are, reading news and opinions of others without filter forced by big tech. My opinion of the future has become a bit more negative, seeing how many "conspiracy" theories turned out to be true, seeing how much information is being twisted if not outright suppressed.

    When i look at this site, i see anti vaxxers, retards, christians... no, your alternative is POOR, degenerate, POOR, christian, POOR, dirty, POOR, uneducated right wing republican POOR people culture easily manipulated by corporations by paying someone like ted cruz to lead you.

    When it comes to rushed covid vaccines, I think a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted (it's not just "conspiracy theorists", many doctors are recommending to not get the vaccine unless you are in a risk group). By retards I guess you mean trolls, who are everywhere on the internet. This site is virtually moderated by enthusiasts, they are not getting paid and are nowhere near the level of power tripping of reddit moderators (who most likely live from it, and unemployment benefits). I personally prefer this freer model of moderation. As I wrote, I am neither christian, nor uneducated (I hold a degree from STEM university, so at least at something I should be educated), nor republican, nor a fan of corporations (especially big tech), maybe a degenerate (definitions of that word differ a lot)?

    Many, if not all, "social" media alternatives have similar problem with content - it's usually dominated by politics, because that's the thing which is being so heavily policed in mainstream. Sadly, more and more things are getting kicked into the politics category (e.g. in large tech and hobby subreddits political posts and comments are very highly upvoted and removed as off topic only if they support the "wrong" side). I don't know a solution for it (while I was on Ruqqus I tried to foster few non-political guilds without success, here I am not posting much, but I try to share non-political stuff every now and then). Maybe as more "normies" are fed up with censorship on mainstream platforms and start trying alternatives, hobby, tech and other non-political subs could start to grow?

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No wonder you got banned from Reddit. Your group ran to a free speech site the moment you got banned...and immediately implemented a "no free speech" policy. Gotta love that. I also love the hatred of poor people.

    you cant because you're too stupid

    Name-calling is against site TOS. Observe the Pyramid of Debate. Another ban coming up.

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      [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Because communism is a jewish ideology. The reason you learn about Stalin is because Stalin was anti semitic. Lenin and Trotsky, both jewish, weren't anti semitic.

      Marx also jewish btw.

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        [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Denying that marx was a jew?lol

        [–]jet199 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        Because Marx was based and a lot of losers want to be like him.

        [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        No he wasn't. He was a leftist loser who blamed all his shortcomings on others. So, yes, losers want to be like him in that they also want to blame all their shortcomings on others. There is nothing based about anything he said.

        [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Karl Marx...

        Never ran a company.

        Never held political office.

        Never oversaw any accounts.

        Never even held a job - any job.

        Not even a position at a university.

        He drank heavily.

        He had a worthless humanities degree.

        He was a misogynist, a homophobe and a racist.

        Supported throughout his life by his rich friend Friedrich Engels.

        He is considered by academics to be the greatest social, political, and economic philosopher of all time.

        All applications of his theories have ended in failure.

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        I never understood the obsession with this guy when he was such a massive piece of shit and embodied everything hated by a large swathof the people that follow him. I understand that even shitty people can have great ideas, but this baffles me.

        [–]FuriousPatriot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Because its appealing on paper. In actuality its ruined by those driving the ship. Greed overcomes the good and then the public has no recourse for power because its already too late.

        [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It is appealing if you are a kindergardener who doesnt understand evolution is a thing.

        [–]wristaction 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        For one, people are generally unaware of how much of what metastasized into Marxism-Leninism has it's roots in the Liberal West. Communism was implemented elsewhere, but it was dreamt up here. It was popular with with Jews so, in the West, it was protected against rebuke under the same umbrella. In turn, at the fall of the Iron Curtain, efforts toward something analagous to the Nuremburg trial or a version of "de-Nazification" was never implemented. By that time, the gravity in the Left had shifted to the 4thist Westerners who say dumb shit like "that wasn't real communism" anyway.

        [–]4chanUser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        It's still debated because some people just can't grasp that it has never worked. And they can't grasp that even communism on paper is just a bad idea.