75% of Voters Support Voter ID Laws -- Something Democrats Are Determined to Eliminate

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    No need for the personal attacks. I had thought all states required an ID.

    In the bottom list here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States

    I see 2 states and a district (D.C.) for which, "No ID needed at polling stations." Names - via electronic voting - can be tracked for duplicates here.

    And: "Washington has no polling stations. Ballots are mailed in." Names are easily tracked for duplicates on mail-in ballots.

    Names can be elctronically tracked in places where a non-photo ID is required. And there are records of people voting twice and getting caught, and thus suffering the consequences. Dead people and fellons can also be excluded electronically, unless they managed to register fraudulently, which is rare.

    California is odd, because, "In most cases, California voters are not required to show identification before they cast ballots."

    Part of the problem with voter IDs is that they can disenfranchise those without the necessary IDs, which is one of the reasons you can read in that link that the Republicans very much want the voter ID laws. It's obvious class warfare, and often keeps poor people from voting. Now with (easily hackable) voting machines, names can be tracked for duplicates in the records. Electronic voting machines should be scrapped, and the identification tracked with the cross-referencing of paper ballots with the electronic scan of each paper vote.

    [–]Zapped 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I was the victim of voter fraud in 2016 because the Democrat Party held up new voter ID laws in my state. A person walked into a neighboring precinct and claimed they were me, but gave my new address as an abandoned house. I found out two years later when I voted in the primaries of 2018. How many times did they vote that day? How many people were they working with doing the same thing? As close as some elections are, this could have changed the outcome. This is not only about making sure people can legally vote, but also about not taking away people's legal vote.

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    Agreed - and what a horrifying story. I didn't know this was possible.

    [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I didn't know how easy it was until then. He changed my address with a provisional ballot on election day. I got to see the signature card on file, but that was all the elections board allowed me to see.

    [–]thoughtcriminal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There are 17 states on that list that don't require an ID. A voter ID can be issued separately from other forms of ID, for free, and it's bigotry of low expectations to assume people aren't smart enough to get one. We're one of the only democracies that doesn't have voter ID. Some countries consider the vote to be so important they don't even allow absentee style voting, you literally have to fly back home to vote if you're out of country. The bill the house is trying to pass right now (HR 1) actually outlaws voter ID I'm pretty sure.

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    Thanks for these two responses. I read in the bill a week or two ago that the most important items include the removal of numerous restrictions on votiing applied by Republicans in recent years. The point of this has been to reduce voter suppression. I would agree with anyone that it's still necessary to have voter ID. (And in my state, I have to register both my Social Security number and driver's license on the absentee ballot, and then seal and sign it in 2 envelopes in a rather complicated way.) The bill is attached here:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/us/politics/house-voting-rights-bill.html

    There are some brief notes about voter identification in the bil, but the main purpose of it if to require states to keep polling stations open, to allow all citizens access to voting, and the removal of various voter suppression tactics. I see in the bill no restriction that prohibits a state from requiring some form of reliable ID (unless I missed seeing it, when locating 'voter identification' in the document). People living in poverty, as well as Blacks and Native Americans are among the targets in the bill, to allow them access to voting. But that's just my quick assessment.