75% of Voters Support Voter ID Laws -- Something Democrats Are Determined to Eliminate

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[–]Anonymocoso 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Mexico gives out free voter Identification.

But you have to show that ID to vote.

Shouldn't we put up a big wall between us and such a racist country?

[–]SaidOverRed 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Come now. We can't have verified elections! How are we supposed to steal all the rest of them (besides the 1 big race)?

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    [–]lizard_king 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

    Could you possibly pick 3 more biased sources?

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Thanks for the links.

      The Rasmussen reports are sometimes reliable, though not the other two (which have no credibility, due to the disinformation they spread).

      Part of the problem with the voter ID laws is that there are already reasonable laws in place in most states, and everyone supports basic voter ID laws. It's actually a non-starter, because government picture IDs are required at voting booths. Thus it's not newsworthy or topical. What's happened in with Republican voter suppression over the years (because they can't win the popular vote much of the time), is that governors try to require special IDs or additional IDs that should not be necessary.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        No need for the personal attacks. I had thought all states required an ID.

        In the bottom list here:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States

        I see 2 states and a district (D.C.) for which, "No ID needed at polling stations." Names - via electronic voting - can be tracked for duplicates here.

        And: "Washington has no polling stations. Ballots are mailed in." Names are easily tracked for duplicates on mail-in ballots.

        Names can be elctronically tracked in places where a non-photo ID is required. And there are records of people voting twice and getting caught, and thus suffering the consequences. Dead people and fellons can also be excluded electronically, unless they managed to register fraudulently, which is rare.

        California is odd, because, "In most cases, California voters are not required to show identification before they cast ballots."

        Part of the problem with voter IDs is that they can disenfranchise those without the necessary IDs, which is one of the reasons you can read in that link that the Republicans very much want the voter ID laws. It's obvious class warfare, and often keeps poor people from voting. Now with (easily hackable) voting machines, names can be tracked for duplicates in the records. Electronic voting machines should be scrapped, and the identification tracked with the cross-referencing of paper ballots with the electronic scan of each paper vote.

        [–]Zapped 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        I was the victim of voter fraud in 2016 because the Democrat Party held up new voter ID laws in my state. A person walked into a neighboring precinct and claimed they were me, but gave my new address as an abandoned house. I found out two years later when I voted in the primaries of 2018. How many times did they vote that day? How many people were they working with doing the same thing? As close as some elections are, this could have changed the outcome. This is not only about making sure people can legally vote, but also about not taking away people's legal vote.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Agreed - and what a horrifying story. I didn't know this was possible.

        [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I didn't know how easy it was until then. He changed my address with a provisional ballot on election day. I got to see the signature card on file, but that was all the elections board allowed me to see.

        [–]thoughtcriminal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        There are 17 states on that list that don't require an ID. A voter ID can be issued separately from other forms of ID, for free, and it's bigotry of low expectations to assume people aren't smart enough to get one. We're one of the only democracies that doesn't have voter ID. Some countries consider the vote to be so important they don't even allow absentee style voting, you literally have to fly back home to vote if you're out of country. The bill the house is trying to pass right now (HR 1) actually outlaws voter ID I'm pretty sure.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Thanks for these two responses. I read in the bill a week or two ago that the most important items include the removal of numerous restrictions on votiing applied by Republicans in recent years. The point of this has been to reduce voter suppression. I would agree with anyone that it's still necessary to have voter ID. (And in my state, I have to register both my Social Security number and driver's license on the absentee ballot, and then seal and sign it in 2 envelopes in a rather complicated way.) The bill is attached here:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/us/politics/house-voting-rights-bill.html

        There are some brief notes about voter identification in the bil, but the main purpose of it if to require states to keep polling stations open, to allow all citizens access to voting, and the removal of various voter suppression tactics. I see in the bill no restriction that prohibits a state from requiring some form of reliable ID (unless I missed seeing it, when locating 'voter identification' in the document). People living in poverty, as well as Blacks and Native Americans are among the targets in the bill, to allow them access to voting. But that's just my quick assessment.

        [–]thoughtcriminal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        There are 17 states that require no ID. In my state they just cross your name off a list. Let's say I (hypothetically of course) knew my neighbor was not voting in the last presidential election. I walk in and give his name and address and vote. Then (again hypothetically) walk in again the next day and vote under my own name. There is no verification. You just need a name and address. And if it's the address of an apartment complex you can just give the address and see the names on the list as they're looking for it and vote a bunch of times as long as they don't recognize you.

        You don't write your name or any identifying information on the ballot either. It's fire and forget.

        If I had (hypothetically) done the above in the 2020 election I voted twice and did not get caught.

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          [–]lizard_king 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          If you people told the truth it'd be a different story.

          [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Like Iraq

          [–]ballooon 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

          Who needs voter ID when you can just close down polling centres?

          [–]nolivesmatter 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

          or create new 'mail in' ballots and refuse to allow oversight by the other party

          [–]ballooon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

          Main-in ballots are not new.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          and were never a problem until Trump thought he could use covid making it hard to vote

          [–]Zapped 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

          The rules were changed this election by people who had no authority to change the rules. These rules removed checks for fraud.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

          nah it was all done fine you're just salty trump lost, but he lost due to not repealing obamacvare or building the wall, can't break all your campaign promises like that. His support was gone besides the qtards who were a minority.

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            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Really?

            Best we have for this information is thegatewaypundit, washingtonexaminer, and breitbart? That may answer your question about why their reports are not covered by CNN or NBC. It's normally impossible to corroborate anything posted by those websites with facts. The facts don't have to be located only on (other) MSM news media sites, but hopefully you really don't expect most people to believe anything at those websites, given their track records for disinformation and misinformation. This is more than merely right-wing bias. And perhaps this is why you note Breitbart last.

            OK - enough about the credibility of the websites. If I search for "Rules were changed this election by people who had no authority," I get links various links about rules changes before 3 November 2020. If I look for "US election Rules changed no authority", I get the same results.

            If I look at the sources you mention, I find this Detroit info:

            https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/15/judge-rules-secretary-state-bensons-ballot-signature-verification-guidance-invalid/4699927001/

            I also see links to reports on what Trump and his lawyers claimed about some of the states changing their rules. None of those reports offer any evidence of the accuracy of their claims. Indeed, courts would not hear the cases, because there was no reliable evidence submitted with the lawsuits. A politician in Michigan allowed Giuliani and his clown witness waste the time of other politicians when they presented no reliable evidence.

            In any event - I hope some of of this is acceptable as an answer to the concerns you mention. If there are better sources for the information, that would help. It's thanks to Giuliani and his failed lawsuits that many of us know there isn't much evidence about abuses of the election. There are always abuses, but they have to be significant enough for the appearance of worthwhile evidence.

            [–]thoughtcriminal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            They're citing court rulings, this is all publicly available information. If you don't want their spin lookup the court dockets. Breitbart and the examiner are also Newsguard certified sources.

            But I wouldn't rely on any MSM source, left, right, or center. The "reliable" sources told us that Trump asked Georgia to look for election fraud based on an "anonymous" source which they've now all quietly retracted months later since it was patently false.

            [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Breitbart has connections to Israeli intelligence and the Mossad; Newsguard was founded by two Zionist Jews, one of which is a neocon. Secondly, all elections are constitutionally treasonous because you cannot have for-profit corporations selecting candidates (GOP & DNC). So, voting for executive officers of US CORP is treasonous. But nobody really cares anymore, espeically not congress so vote for the best corporate officier that will lobby for you. But remember, they do not work or represent you when they are receiving money from privtate corporations.

            Tough pill to swallow but it is the truth. A lawyerly hidden truth.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Newsguard

            Breitbart notes that Newsguard does not approve of them. Something about Bill Gates controlling the world, or similar idiocy.

            Thanks for telling me about Newsguard, whcih I'll start using along with these:

            https://uk.pcmag.com/security-4/119900/how-to-spot-fake-news-online

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            fake news sorry

            [–]Zapped 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Sure.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            you got duped

            [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Sure.

            [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              lol nah he tried to stop voters from voting, was blatant

              [–]thoughtcriminal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The methods and scale we did mail in ballots in 2020 was very new. We removed pretty much every possible safeguard, counted ballots post marked after the election, counted ballots with no signature or questionable signatures, sent out ballots without requesting them, etc. Mail-in and absentee ballots were widely regarded as problematic and the least accurate form of voting across partisan lines before they were needed to help Biden win.

              [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Voter ID laws don't matter, because the elections are rigged by the political parties.

              It's like issuing fishing licenses, while the DNR is poaching with dynamite.

              [–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              Meanwhile, in Holland.

              https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2LF0ME?

              [–]Valhalla 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Democrats don’t make sense because they are mentally retarded as well as communists. Honestly most of them deserve a fate worse than death.

              [–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              You only need an ID if you're doing something White people do. Then you need a RealID and a background check.

              [–]MatthewofHouseGray 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

              I'll have no problems with "voter ID's" as long as the people are automatically registered at 18 and these cards are automatically handed out too them as well.

              [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

              A mandatory national ID program? That is used to track people in all aspects. Countries with that in use make citizens present it for everything they do.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

              so let's not do that for voting

              [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              so how would you prevent voter fraud?

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              it's pretty much non existent so focus on other things like the rich bribing our politicians

              [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Frozen assets as soon as you take office until the day you leave and no conflict of interest jobs for 5 years.

              [–]thoughtcriminal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              We already have that, it's called a social security number.

              [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I should have been more clear. I'm not talking about a SSN. I'm talking about compulsory national identity cards. These tend to get abused by governments for tracking every aspect of your life, not just interactions with government agencies. Here's a short article on the pro's and con's.

              https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1133/national-identification-cards

              [–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              What kinds of things would it be required for that'd be an issue?

              [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Travel, shopping, assembly.

              [–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Yeah, there are risks, but quite a lot else that is necessary before ID is required to shop or assemble.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I doubt that many support it

              [–]SubliminalCriminal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              i have printed out ten billion votes that will dropped off at various "vote drop stations".

              i am voting for pee wee herman for universal dictator of all nations.

              [–]cant_even 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Every civilized country has mandatory voter ID, and it's rarely "free"

              Example from that other site:

              The last time this came up, someone impersonating a Dutchman said his 'government id was free'.

              some free government ID [says Him...]

              [Me:] You're lying: Dutch ID card - 51 Euros, or,
              Dutch Drivers License - 39.45 Euros, or
              Dutch Passport - 65.30 Euros

              ...one of which must be shown at polling places. source

              Now look at the rest of the world, plus what it takes to vote.

              Skulking anonymously around Barter-Town shouldn't entitle anybody to choose leaders and influence policy. And until "we" get a handle on screening out ineligble 'voters', maybe Jimmy Carter's crew should be doing some "election monitoring" a lot closer to home than they're used to working.