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[–]poopdawg15 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I was just on twitter looking at some of the videos of screeching antifa imbeciles protesting Andy Ngô. One Portland idiot girl was repeatedly shrieking "fascist....fascist!" It made me think this idiot doesn't know any better, doesn't know any more than the one damn word. So I went to the Encyclopedia Britannica and got really a pretty watered-down definition of "Fascism." I decided to turn to Ludendorff, to see what he has to say on the subject. I think the second chapter "Systems based upon Force and Systems of Alliance" of his book "The Coming War" (1931) is one of the most informative I've read, and I found pgs. 31-40 very instructive about Fascism. I'm including the link. For those for whom nine pages is too long, his essential thesis is Fascism is an instrument of the Catholic Church. A quote, "The more clearsighted among the Germans indeed had long since perceived the sham nature of the friction between the Vatican and Mussolini. They know now that Fascism is the offspring of the Jesuits and the trump card of the latter in their game with the Grand Orient of France."

[–]socksDemocratic Party 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Sorry to argue - but this comment doesn't address a number of the traditional definitions of fascism, not to mention the various approaches to fascism over the years. Moreover, OP's link to, below, is to a Libertarian opinion on what he thinks fascism has been, and much of that is wrong. There are also significant holes in that history. You note problems that are related to fascism, but do not explicitly refute the person you don't like in Portland. Fascism - in practice - has been an authoritarian nationalist worker's program, and traditionally against liberalism, democracy, Marxism, and anarchism. It's not that complicated. Perhaps you'd prefer that people you hate refer instead to 'neo-fascism', which may explain the legitimate concerns of the girls in Portland. If you would rather give up your freedom, your democratic rights, in order to shine the shoes of the 1%, then you'll love neo-fascism.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Fascism, if we define National socialism as such, was fervently anti-Bolshevik, anti-usury and anti-Judaic. It was largely, an authoritarian nationalist workers party that allowed private property via labor but prevented property capture by speculation and usury. Hence, the SS throwing the Warburgs out of Germany and arresting and expelling Rothschilds and seizing their assets.

Mussoliniynism was fascism but was largey neutral on Jews and even married a Jewess and appointed many revisionist Zionists in his ranks during the Ethiopian campaign.

Neo-fascism is largely a 1% ideology. That is, the rich and powerful, the international corporatists, impose their rule on everyone else. Neo-fascism is not traditional workers fascism, neo-conservatism is not conservatism, and neo-liberalism is not liberalism in the sense of Napoleonism that introduced liberalism to society and military at large, counter to the rigid structure of the Prussian army.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Read anything by Feder. This will give you a good idea of what National Socialism and Fascism was, even though the NS made many critiques against Mussoliniynism. Hitler took many ideas from Feder but demoted Feder and hired Schacht to revamp the economy. It worked well but Hitler realized around 1938 that Schacht was a working as liaison to the allies. Hitler's SS threw Schacht in Dachu AND hitler rehired Feder's student Walther Funk. Federism was far more left in policy than Schacht.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember, anyone can be a neo-fascist. Originally, fascism was simply a nationalistic traditional workers party that believed that every person had a stake in the state corporation. They were fervently anti-radical individualism and anti-liberal in regards to the liberalism of private speculation. Fascism almost always leads to Authoritarianism. But in its original def. it was simply a traditional mainly rural workers party of whom were markedly anti-Bolshevik/marxist.

[–]socksDemocratic Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this. I almost tagged you in my response, to see what you'd offer here.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My favorite is when libertarians claim National Socialism was actually marxism.

[–]socksDemocratic Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


Libertarians are - for me - more annoying than Republicans, because their core arguments tend to focus on selfishness, part of which arose when many of these people were kids or young adults in the "me, me, me" era of the 1970s and early 80s, reading Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. They make terrible public servants because they don't want to do anything for the public they're supposed to repsresent.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What fascism is and where it came from:

TL;DR A man liked socialism, but he saw some parts that could be improved. So he changed about 10% of it and rebranded as fascism.

[–]poopdawg15 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope you'll give the nine pages I've recommended a go

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ludendorff mentions the Jesuits but only in their alliance with Jews and freemasons. There are two Jesuitical societiesand both dispise the other. The trad. Catholic Jesuits were largely a military order of the Church showing piety but also preaching the gospel as far and wide on earth. Some of their adventures were certainly unorthodox and they had their faults and dirty violent history. The other society was the memorialists (Crypto-Jews). Jesuit Jews which the Catholics deemed an infiltration in the late 16th century and as a countermeasure imposed blood purity laws because they believed many were desecrating Christ's name and subverting the society to climb to the higher ranks of power for their own self-serving interests.

Today, the Jesuit pope, as evidenced by Maurice Pinay, promotes talmudism. Talmudic Jews are Theocratic religious fascists.

Ludendorff writes:

The secret of tke influence of the Jesuits and how to put an end to it which I weote in collaboratiom with my wife, I showed how supemational forces such as the inner circles of the Jews and freemasons and the leading ecclesiastics of the Church of Rome and their capitalistic representatives in the world of finance were planning the destruction of these Esau-like nations of the world, whose existence, like that of mayflies, is bounded by the setting sun.

Firstly, Catholics are completely against freemasonry; Jesuit Jews are not. Secondly, talmudists openly say they wish to destroy Esau and the West. So, today's Catholic church has been entirely taken over by Talmudists.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the flip side, the Marxist idea of "Liberation" (effectively, any revolution against the hegemony, anti-capitalism, anti-imperialism, anti-racism and all similar strains of utopian thought) was also embraced in some parts of the Catholic church, especially in Central & South America during the later 20th century. Most notably, the Sandinista movement of Nicaragua. Pope JPII was a wise critic of these movements, recognizing that our attempts to establish heaven on earth could only be done by force, and paradoxically result in a hell of our own creation. As a Pole, he would surely know.

Just look up Marxism Liberation and see how quickly you get to "Liberation Theology".

[–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

They accuse others of doing what they are about to do so when they get called out it just looks like a childish argument. The fascists are (((google, facebook, Reddit, twitter))). They are tyrants blacklisting dissenters. They have more power than the government and get away with violating people's constitutional rights by saying they dont apply to corporations. But they also don't get checked by the government the way a corporation would. They are in violation of anti trust laws but dont get broken up. They act as publishers but claim exemptions as public platforms. They clearly control the government.

But of course it's not a corporation that becomes sentient to create a fascist dictatorship, it is the (((people))) which own those corporations who are the fascist dictators. The same people who control the (((democrat))) party. The same people who have been dominating out politics for decades. Except now they figured out how to circumvent constitutional restrictions on their power.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is why I think simplified definitions of Capitalism/Socialism/Fascism are the best. I'm not clear as to why socialism (as defined as an authoritarian system where the state is controlling the means of production) can be generalized while fascism (the merger of corporate and government to create authoritarian oligopoly) is often tied into specific people and events. Honestly, I think the limited definition of fascism is nothing but a shield used by the current system to deflect its true identity.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Fascism is corporate control of government, and govt support for corporate power.
That's it. The other details are superfluous, and serve to camouflage reality.

Any government with a corporate-state "revolving door" is a fascist system.

Regulatory capture = Fascism

To big to fail = Fascism


Sad, but true.

[–]pcpmasterraceNational Justice Party 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fascism is corporate control of government, and govt support for corporate power. That's it. The other details are superfluous, and serve to camouflage reality.

Any government with a corporate-state "revolving door" is a fascist system.

The fascist "corporation" isn't a business, it's a system of guilds and councils.

[–]madcow-5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The most popular thing to do during Trump's presidency was criticize and ridicule the president, and these people think that's a dictator.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Even worse they now think they are heroic revolutionaries who toppled an evil dictator, by voting him out.

It's pathetic.

[–]Feldheld 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Luring people into pointless debates about obvious things is one of the tactics of the modern fascist.

Yes, they know theyre the fascists. No, of course they wont admit it.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

trump was a strange beast, created to divide.

of that, I am pretty sure.

it may not work in their favor, I hope folks notice.

trust God, not some man that gets the support of the media.

when I say support, I mean has a presence.

if they truly didn't like him (like Ron Paul) .. they'd ignore him.

besides that.. trump didn't secure the election .. trusted guiliani (9.11 conspirator) to bring case to court (told media had big fraud, told court minor procedural errors.. )

retarded. mr. pillow is providing comfort.

i dunno, I hope that lindell guy does something, but reading how Trump dismissed those most interested in helping his case in favor of guiliani.. whatever.

God is in my life, now and forever. all is divine. all is one.

if we acted within this knowing, the world would be healed.