Last moments of a COVID patient

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[–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

People die, for all sorts of reasons. Choosing to make a video of the last moments of a (claimed) CoViD-19 patient when the mortality rate for the past 3 years has not changed by any significant measure is nothing other than 100% pure propaganda and fear mongering.

Prior to 2020 the #1 killer of the elderly by a significant margin was pneumonia. But in 2020 suddenly it's Covid. How can anyone with even half a brain look at that and not see there there's something very wrong going on.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If you don't believe in science, don't go to the doctor, don't use the internet, don't go on a flight. Data regarding COVID19 virus strains for the majority of 115,430,318 COVID cases was not manipulated, regardless of what Breitbart or Trump told you.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I enjoy science, but I reserve my right to be skeptical about a fast-tracked vaccine, especially any that touch the portion of cells that allows for DNA reading. Standard vaccination is one thing, preventative care is one thing, but this whole situation has entered different territory that I would rather lend more observation time to. People do retarded shit when they're panicked, and I don't trust pharmaceutical companies to not take advantage of that-- especially not if they're going to profit hugely.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OK - I see how this can seem to be ridiculously fast-tracked, but I would argue that several months of live tests on people are appropriately informative, for several vaccines. I was invited to trial it, but turned it down. There is a long history of approaches to SARS vaccines and research, so what may seem to have been a really quick process of a few months was actually a reuse and accumulation of 40 years of research. I also appreciate that arguing in favor of vaccine research on Saidit may seem to be rather like swimming up stream. But this is one place where I can see anti-vax arguments, even if I am regularly surprised by the kind of uncorrobrated evidence that anti-vaxers provide.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm just not thrilled about the concept behind it. I know you like the engagement in conversations surrounding it, and it's probably good to hear multiple sides from people.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

Along the way, they also learned that, compared to traditional vaccines, mRNA vaccines can actually generate a stronger type of immunity: they stimulate the immune system to make antibodies and immune system killer cells — a double strike at the virus.

Phrasing like this leads me to believe that it could trigger an autoimmune response with the body's cells. I'm not an expert, but experts within Big Pharma haven't given me much reason to trust them either.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes - and it's better to see evidence and arguments like this - which should enter the broader discourse about vaccines. Unfortunately that discourse is highly polarized and it's difficult to have a discussion about any of this.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Love you too. Calm the fuck down.

    [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      None of this has anything to do with my comments on COVID or the post.

      Is this your only option - to obsess about the users rather than offer any information? Stick to the topic. Stick to the pyramid of debate. You don't know me and don't have to. I'm not important. Grow up.

      Notice that no one at Saidit has voted on this video of the lady's death. It's been interesting to see this reaction. It's really sad and doesn't bode well for the future.

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        ? ...really strange response this is.

        At least you're reviewing the video, but then you're also obsessed with me.

        The video is obviously not propaganda. How utterly cold does one have to be to see that and think it's propaganda? Makes absolutely no sense to me. Fuck this place.

        [–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        You don't think that relying on the PCR test which is has been shown BY SCIENCE to be at least 93% inaccurate counts as data manipulation? And what about the almost complete lack of cases of the flu since Covid hit the stage?

        Sweetie, you aren't believing in science. You're believing in what the MSM tells you is science.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Sweetie? 93% of PCR tests are not inaccurate. It's absolutely false so assume that PCR tests are that innaccurate.

        See an example here: https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000106118/

        Based on Local data published, PCR is 98% accurate for those with symptoms.

        Moreover, there have been plenty of cases of the flu. The flu is not reported in the same way COVID is reported. Two entirely different reporting mechanisms.

        Please do not spread disinformation. It doesn't help anyone.