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[–]RightousBob 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

The CASE IS NOT closed as I fundamentally DISAGREE with you.

I believe people should have the FREEDOM to make those choices for themselves and NOT have the state or people like YOU dictate what they must or mustn't do. I know that opinion goes against your preprogrammed narrative and JIDF flow chart but you will just have to deal with the fact that not everyone thinks like you (if in fact you think at all), and I will use my personal FREEDOM of speech to continue to say it regardless of how you try to spin my words.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I appreciate that this is the argument you had planned to make all along. My point is that there is absolutely no scenario where this statement:

I support personal freedom.

Means that you do this at the expense of the personal freedom of another person, and especially a person who could get COVID19 from you (while you cry about wearing a mask, because it doesn't matter if grandma dies, as long as you don't have to wear a mask).

To avoid this problem, you could say, for example:

I support my personal freedom at the expense of everyone else.

In that manner, the personal freedoms of others do not matter to you, and no one can argue that you seem to genuinely care about personal freedom in the broader sense of that term.

[–]RightousBob 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

NOPE, you missed the bus again. I'll will tell YOU what I believe in terms a monkey could understand.

You want to wear a mask? Wear one. You don't want to wear a mask? Don't. You want to lock your self in your house for a year? Do it. You want to go about life as usual? Do it.

Your well being is NOT my responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility. Besides if you are wearing a mask and are vaccinated you are protected right? I think you SHOULD have the freedom to do those things. My not doing them does not stop you from doing them.

By the way, when you say "blah blah blah means" that is simply your interpretation. You have NO authority to define my point of view, but I will happily support your FREEDOM to speak in opposition to it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Part of the problem is that your 'right' is another person's 'responsibility', if indeed you wish to have that right at the expense of others.

See for example, Alasdair MacIntyre's 'After Virtue' and 'Whose Justice? Which Rationality?'

If instead you accept the 'responsibility' that comes with supporting the 'right' of 'personal freedom' of another person, you and the other person succeed.

If instead you require others to be responsible for your 'right' of 'personal freedom', this is obviously not ethical. They don't owe you.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Crock.