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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

pro-trans is not anti-science. Anti-science is denying: climate change, tobacco safety, vaccine efficacy, evolutionary theory, mask wearing...

[–]StillLessons 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Once upon a time in a long-ago far off land, science was the activity of observing our world and the skies, noting and classifying the different types and kinds of materials and processes, and discovering how they interacted so as to better understand said world and where we fit into the scheme of things. Among the most basic classifications, clear enough that even the youngest of children recognize it, is that of male and female. A child seeing a pair of dogs, for example, male and female, will notice that one has a penis and the other doesn't. Naturally, that child will ask why? And guess what? The answer has nothing to do with what the dogs wanted or chose, or how they identify. The dogs are male and female. They were born that way, for reasons that have absolutely zero to with their individual perception of the world. They were never given a choice, and there is nothing they can do about it, nor is there any reason they should have any desire to do anything about it. End of story. This is the simplest of concepts. I am still - even after several years of witnessing it - in shock that so many people are willing to complicate the simplest observation in the universe beyond the point of all recognition. Either there is an objective natural world to observe (the intent of true science), or there isn't. Which is it? If male and female don't exist, then you might as well throw out animal, vegetable, and mineral as well. There is no more science behind that classification than there is behind male and female. The fact that a small portion of humans have a psychological or psychiatric (not sure which, probably some with one, others with the other) glitch which leads to their personality not matching their biological sex does not negate the original classification. But the Biden camp (which is not necessarily the same thing as Biden, who is observably senile) has here declared precisely that. There is no greater anti-science stance possible.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Look up 'complete androgen insensitivity syndrome'.

[–]wecandobetter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

The ultra-rare genetic defect of true genital hermaphroditism does not negate the fact that homo sapien is a binary-sex species. The statistic is thrown around a lot that intersex conditions are as common as redheads....but that's only true if you include the 99.9% of people who still have fully functional sexed genitalia and secondary sex characteristics, just have some minor differenced hormone sensitivity. So in other words, it's bullshit.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That is not the only way sexual phenotypes become more androgynous. And you can't point to the rarity of the condition while ignoring the rarity of trans.

[–]wecandobetter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Listen, I'm pro-trans in the sense that I support every single human being's unalienable right to be free from violence, from religious or political persecution, from discriminatory hiring practices or barring from education, public services, etc. You know, rights. I do not see it as their right to have 99% of the population cater to their mental illness by pretending that a transwoman is literally, in every meaningful sense, a woman. Sports are divided along dimorphic sexual lines FOR A REASON. And the trans activists have glommed on to people with genetic hormone disorders to argue that 'well because Caster Semenya's case is genuinely complicated, all the rest of us should get to compete in women's sports too!". Fuck off. Also I believe Caster Semenya was banned from several female track competition events.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

[–]wecandobetter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I thought you were talking about trans people lol. How did we arrive at homophobia? Nevermind. I know there's no changing your mind.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Please don't repeatedly drag the quality of discussion downward with ad hominems, thank you. https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You got me! I hate homers, go fuck yourself u/homermobile