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[–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

We have wandered into semantics now.

what does the word 'fascist' mean to you?

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    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

    don't be a dick.

    I'm trying to establish common ground. That's why I'm asking you what your definition is. To tell me that "i have no idea" what you think it is is redundant. Good debating establishes terms used. Bad faith / leftist debating deliberately refuses to define terms to increase conflict.

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      [–]slushpilot 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      In addition to what u/bobbobbybob said, it's also said to be about strong labour coordination between corporations and the state... That's why the fascist logo is a bundle of arrows, sometimes a bundle of sticks, because a syndicate is made stronger than its individual parts.

      Here we are in 2021, with powerful corporations deciding what opinions are allowed, effectively enforcing discretionary rules that the state itself cannot... in the name of political favour. "But it's a private company!" Sure, history doesn't repeat. But it certainly does rhyme, doesn't it.

      Please, u/789, what is your picture of fascism—because I think we all say we oppose it, so why are you disagreeing?

      [–]PeddaKondappa 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The terms "corporation" and "corporatism", as used by fascists, have absolutely nothing to do with the modern capitalist usage. Fascism has its roots in early 20th century national syndicalism, inspired by people like Georges Sorel and Charles Maurras. When fascist writers talk about "corporations" they are talking about labor organizations similar to syndicates or trade unions and not big businesses like those on Wall Street. Fascism is explicitly anti-capitalist as well as anti-communist.

      The people who are restricting speech in the modern West are not "fascists." They are all liberals who probably believe the same things that you do (but I don't), like gender equality and LGBT rights.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      can you please define terms

      this website has rules, you know. A pyramid of debate. I'm trying to debate with you, but you seem dead set on just attacking me.

      Dictionary definition:

      Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

      in this case, the ultranationalism has transformed into ultraglobalism. 'far right' has transformed into 'far left', although that was always debatable, the NS party being National Socialist, after all.

      SO, going by that definition, what I said was fine. Dictatorial power, suppression of opposition, regimented society (under new woke oppression metrics). economy 'reset' to meet new ideals.

      Which is why I asked you what your view of 'fascism' was. There are many.

      [–]wristaction 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      So, in your worldview, the left doesn't exist; there is only "fascism". For instance, the DMV is "fascism" because it's a government agency and your dad is "fascism" because he wields authority over you and the mechanics at Jiffy Lube are "fascists" because they wear uniforms and serve a corporation.

      This is the level of Qtardism one might've expected in a thread which confuses FPM's use of the "nocrawl" meta tag for censorship at Wayback.

      789 gave you a solid counterfactual which addresses your malapropism of "fascist" to fascism's actual existence as a real thing in history and you just kind of ignored it. There is actual fascist theory, actual fascist texts. Why are these banned in this allegedly fascist-run society? You don't need to answer it. It was rhetorical.

      Do you believe that the left will spare you as a fellow "antifascist" because you spent all this time avoiding correctly identifying them and reifying all of your critiques of abusive power to the term "fascism"?

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      So, in your worldview, the left doesn't exist;

      No. I never said that. Not sure why you've decided to open with a straw man, other than you are a leftist.

      the DMV is "fascism" because it's a government agency

      Really? your logic took you there? That's just nonsense. You are literally just spouting unfounded shit and pretending that I said any of it in the first place

      confuses FPM's use of the "nocrawl" meta tag for censorship at Wayback.

      You do know that the internet archive will still archive a site with 'nocrawl" if you ask it to? That aside, FPM does not have the nocrawl meta. YOu are literally just talking out of your arse. Why the fuck do leftists think that continually bad faith debating is going to further their cause? it just cements HATRED in the rest of us. When the time comes, and it is coming, there will be no mercy left.

      789 gave you a solid counterfactual

      No, they didn't. You are now adding 'gaslighting' to the mix

      It was rhetorical.

      It deserves an answer, though. "NAZIS" are held up as an evil bogeyman, painted with atrocity propaganda, in order to destroy any chance of the positive aspects of national socialism being taken on board, especially the ones around financial independence. The bad parts - the overt authoritarianism, social control and nationalism are constantly used as weapons to attack a sensible opposition to the global fascist state. Always blame your enemy for your sins.

      Do you believe that the left will spare you as a fellow "antifascist"

      More straw man. But thank you for exposing the heart of the leftist hatred for everyone else. We've been waking up to it, and conversations like this cement the knowledge that you wish to kill us all. Eliminate our voices, never find mutual understanding. I need no one to 'spare' me. Because if you come for me, you will die.

      That's Trump's legacy. He woke us all up to how much people like you hate us. So the western civilizational methods of communication, conflict resolution, adaptation and compromise simply will not work, as you are a bunch of slimy, underhand, cheating, dishonest and hateful cunts who want to destroy everything good in this world.

      [–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Trump denounced you and his DOJ, which stood down and knelt before the left's terrorism, is busy rounding you up and throwing you in federal prison.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You said it Walter. Seems to be a lot of that going around.

      [–]NodeIndependent 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      fascism

      What is it?

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      That is the question. It seems to mean different things to different people, so we end up arguing over a word, rather than the authoritarian, socially constricting, voice silencing takeover of our world by globalist technocrats.

      Technocracy doesn't have to be ASCVS (fascist) as well.

      [–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Agreed, I was never all that clear on the specifices, but now people just use it for things they don't like, even when their own behavior reflects the worst definitions of 'fascism'. See: antifa

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The funniest thing I've seen is when a blog compared Klaus Schwab, Netanyahu and the technocrats to the Reichstag fire and Hitler's alleged master race agenda.

      I mean, maybe read Feder and look into the economic and social policies of NS. One can take from it without the eugenics.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Anti-Bolshevism and anti-Teachnocracy. That's fascism.