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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I am no lawyer, but it seems like the electoral college vote are selected by states rather than the state's voters. All states nominally select electors based on the votes of their citizens. If states' elections are corrupted, it is up to those states' citizens to hold their local officials accountable. That is the electoral college game. There is a wisdom too it. If you are going to fuck an election up, you have to fuck with a bunch of states instead of a single government entity. Checks and balances. Leftists tend to ignore that when they want to replace the electoral college.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You are correct. There is no right to vote for the individual citizen, and I see your point about the citizens of the state holding their own officials accountable. Maybe this will loosen up some investigations in other states or strengthen the effort of those who want to see more investigation by their officials.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If Republican voters and Democratic voters vote in completely different ways, voter suppression becomes way to easy, as a party can make it harder for the other party's voters to vote.

I think electronic voting machines should print a human readable ballot out for the voter. There can be pre-printed ballots in case the machines fail somehow. If the voting machines didn't seem to fail, there will be an initial electronic voting count. Each voter places the ballot in an envelope, then a drop box. Each envelope can have multiple numeric security keys that prove there are official polling place ballots inside. The federal government, states, counties, and maybe political parties can place security keys on each ballot envelope. Every used and unused ballot envelope gets accounted for. Then they check to see if the electric count and the paper count are equal. It probably wastes paper? Maybe it has a deep security flaw?

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I like your ideas. We have a readable paper ballot that gets printed when we vote locally. We hand deliver it to a poll worker who drops it into a locked box. I think they only use it for hand-to-eye recounts but it is there for a hard copy back-up.

I have issue with two avenues for fraud. The first is mail-in ballots. In years past, the absentee ballots were fewer and easier to authenticate. This year, the mail-in ballots were way too easy to misuse: from ballot harvesting to fake (or any ineligible) voters. The second is voter I.D., or lack thereof. I was the victim of this. I did not find out until two years later and there was nothing I could do about it.

Your ideas included with proper authentication would sure up most of the problems, in my opinion.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

An abusive family member can impose their will on other household members when we have mail in voting. Some states like to use mail in voting because it is cheaper. In Utah, they ID people for voting, but not mail in voting. I think their ID law was probably bogus if they think mail in voting is secure. I suspect that if voting is the exact same in every state, a bad actor only has to figure out a single hack to compromise an election. I don't think most poll workers or voters are willing to commit fraud, and if they are, we might have a bigger problem then the wedge issues these parties argue about.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

A lot of states, using the Secretary of State office, relaxed their voting standards, against the laws set up by the state legislatures. That is what Texas had filed suit against. It is specifically in the U.S. Constitution that only state legislatures can make (or change) election laws. Article II, Section 1. There would have to be an Amendment to standardize all the state elections.

The coordination in (what seems to me) the swing states, even the ones Trump won, is what worries me. I hope I am wrong on my feelings about that.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Relaxed voting standards? What the fuck? I don't know where the nominal voting standard is anything other than

  1. be alive
  2. be a citizen
  3. be over 18
  4. not a felon
  5. live in the state

What the hell is a relaxed voting standard? Voting by internet as many times as you want? Giving white people 5 votes and black people 3 votes?

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm with you. It's more the standards in vote authentication that I was talking about. I should have made that more clear. Not verifying registrations that the would-be voter fits one of those 5 (except some states that now allow some felons to vote), and then again not verifying that the actual person voted and on time. One of my father's neighbors got 3 mail-in ballots and got one for his underage daughter. He thought they were mistakes and threw them away. He know realizes he should have kept them. He also lives in one of the areas that supposedly got counterfeit ballots from China. I am still waiting on proof of the China accusation.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If your local voting systems are hacked, your community is responsible for fixing it. And I don't think voting systems ought to be uniform. Voting integrity ought to be somewhat local so a bad actor can't hack the entire system all at once. Where I live, if they make a death certificate, they remove you from the voter roles. I have also never seen a pet or child with a ballot. If China stole the election for Biden, since Trump is currently the president, Trump failed to secure America yet again. Have you noticed that the number of "illegal" votes just so happens to be the number he loses by? In 2016, he said 2.5 million non-citizens voted. He had 4 years to do something about it and did jack shit. One more reason Trump deserved to lose.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Like I said, I'm not convinced the machines were hacked or that China or any other foreign country had direct involvement in any voter fraud.