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[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Have you no allegiance to the flag or the founding fathers? America having a bad time now, is precisely the time to be one and solve the problem.

[–]EVERYBODYPANIC 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Speaking only for myself, no. We've all been buried in lies about our nation. The commo political beliefs, the common religious beliefs, the common educational and medical systems - all tainted. I believe that I belong to an endangered people. I believe that there are forces in the world working for the destruction of my people. My people, divided and overwhelmed on so many fronts. Our founding fathrs are not the ones you cite.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Our founding fathrs are not the ones you cite.

Not sure what you mean. We may not know in full everything that happened and why, but the sentiment and spirit of the nation is founded on freedom from tyranny. The rest builds from there, freedom to speak, freedom to believe, etc. For example anyone who believes in systemic control as a solution of any kind, probably doesn't understand how and why the nation formed and therefore imho would have taken sides with the Brits in staying under the control of the monarchy. Today it's not Britain, it's the companies that deceivingly monopolized (and then changed their policies) the world's new media, an emerging tech that could not have been foreseen by the forefathers. We're in a similar battle against tyranny, and the two sides are simply freedom or 1984 dystopia which we are already in.

[–]jamesK_3rd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said. It's going to get worse.

I've lowered my US flag at my house and started to fly the Betsy ross flag about 6 months ago.

I cherish and remember the founding ideals. But we are a long way from there now.