The Shot Heard Around The World: Unarmed Pro-Trump Woman Shot By Capitol Police Has Died

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[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

And I'm sure you all were this upset about George Floyd's murder, right?

[–]Dudemanguy 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

What the fuck is wrong with you? Floyd literally died of a fetanyl overdose, and his name face and footage of his death was played on an endless loop to incite anger, riots and violence as corporations poured money into the mess and politicians literally kneeled before rioters.

By contrast this woman was shot in cold blood and most of the msm refuses to even say her name.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

People overdosing on opiates are in a borderline coma. They aren't gonna be as active as Floyd was in the time leading up to his arrest. Y'all read that he had drugs in his system and then told yourselves a bunch of nonsense lies to avoid confronting the police brutality problem. No, he didn't die of a fucking drug overdose.

In most police training you are taught not to use those types of restraining moves precisely because of the breathing problems it creates. He didn't die because of a drug overdose; he died because a sociopath kept weight on his neck for several minutes after he had been restrained and despite the fact that the situation was well under control.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You know, I think you are both right in a way. Neither Babbit nor Floyd should have been "martyred" by their respective sympathizers. They both put themselves in each of their respective positions and paid the consequence. I'm sure Floyd didn't plan on OD'ing after getting caught passing fake money (read the coroner's report, his death had nothing to do with the cop kneeling on his neck). Babbit didn't think her actions of violently breaking into the US Capital would result in her being shot (the cop had every right to assume she was breaking in to do bodily harm or murder). Did either "deserve" to die? I don't think they should have, but they, themselves, helped make it happen.

[–]Dudemanguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

the cop had every right to assume she was breaking in to do bodily harm or murder

Based on what? Did she communicate a threat? Did she have a weapon? Did she carry out any previous violence during the encounter? She was told not to enter a room. She attempted to enter the room and was shot dead because of it. Keep in mind this is 2020, when media approved mass riots, beatings and murders have been carried out nationwide for months on end over cops doing far less to individuals doing far worse.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I guess you've heard by now that a Capital Police officer was killed by a blow to the head with fire extinguisher.

I look at it like this:

I put myself in Babbit's shoes. There's no way I would have broken into the Capital building under these circumstances, much less tried to break through a barricade with guns drawn on me.

I put myself in the officer's shoes. There is an angry mob trying to breach a barricade having already violently assaulted other officers. It was his job to keep the occupants safe. He had every right to assume they were going to be assaulted with deadly force if the mob broke through.

The nationwide riots are other incidents. I support mass arrests of violent and even "peaceful" protestors who disrupted traffic and business (more than cases of mild inconvenience). I even support Kyle Rittenhouse's self-defense. Imagine yourself in those situations. Would you even be there? If not, maybe you shouldn't be making excuses for them; Ashli Babbit or George Floyd. Actions have consequences.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

(read the coroner's report, his death had nothing to do with the cop kneeling on his neck)

No, you read the fucking coroner's report. There were two autopsies performed, and both concluded that Floyd's death was homicide by aspyhyxiation. One of the reports, however, mentioned the drugs in his system as a complicating factor. Even though that report also ruled it a homicide, right-wing sites took the drugs and spun a narrative about how the autopsy concluded that Floyd died because of an OD. But it's not true and it never has been.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hey, we're both wrong. The medical examiner released memos along with the autopsy report. These statements were in those memos:

"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation,"

and

"Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

We both stand corrected.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, that first line was only in the draft report. It was removed in the final report, which did conclude that it was a homicide.

And the final report only points out that he might have lived had he been younger and healthier. That doesn't mean the officer didn't kill him. He did.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for educating me. I was confused about the timing (and meanings) of those reports.