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    [–]cure_osa_disorder 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Say. Her. Name.

    [–]Kyto113 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    She was breaching a barricade with guns drawn on her and VIPs on the other side. Completely deserved to die

    [–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

    And I'm sure you all were this upset about George Floyd's murder, right?

    [–]insta 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

    George Floyd was talked about and will continue to be talked about for months and was buried in a fucking gold casket (during the same period you weren't allowed to have a funeral for meemaw). In two weeks nobody will remember this chick's name and her death will do nothing more than to punish the people she ideologically agreed with.

    Her death will be nothing more than a number on a spreadsheet that opportunists can use to crack down on her friends & family.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    *Standard casket covered in cheap gold leaf; and there is absollutely no comparison between the murder of him and the racist person who threatened the safety of congresspeople by nearly entering a room in the Capitol building where some congresspeople were still in attendance. She was also well aware that lethal force against her was likely in that kind of situation, given her 14 years of service. She would have happily killed a person storming into Trump's office.

    [–]Tarrock 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

    congresspeople, the most oppressed minority.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do you want anarchy?

    BTW: I don't like the GOP and would hope they burn in hell sooner rather than later, but I think democracy is important, even if it produces these assholes.

    [–]Dudemanguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Democracy is already dead. We live in a corrupt oligarchy now, ruled by a hostile elite that favors Israel over its own people and has nothing but contempt for working class americans. Democracy died with our media, which is now owned by the same oligarchs.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, but it's how we deal with it that matters

    [–]insta 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    the racist person who threatened the safety of congresspeople

    Love the sprinkling in of "muh racism" to justify killing people.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Her Twitter account was focused much of the time on anti-BLM messages and #BlackLivesDontMatter, and similar. That's my reference. You can still look this up, if curious. No, this was not mentioned as a justification for killing her. It was merely a description. If you've seen the videos, she was obviously shot because she was entering a place in the Capitol building that was obviously protected by a security guard on the left with a gun pointed directly at her. It's quite clear in the videos, and yet she tried to jump into his path and that of his gun. She was shot because she was trespassing to a portion of the Capitol building that was protected by an armed guard. Understood?

    [–]Dudemanguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    As u pointed out, she was in airforce security forces. As a result, she likely believed they would react with restraint and proportion. She was wrong. You dont shoot an unarmed woman in the neck, no decent human being would do that. She was an American citizen in her own country, in her own capital. As for the "VIP"s that would supposedly be endangered by the prescence of an unarmed woman they supposedly serve, nobody seemed to care when Antifa surrounded Josh Hawley's house with his wife and child inside and banged on the door. Nobody shot those people dead despite the peril they placed a "VIP" and his children in.

    Those congressmen faced far less of a threat than ordinary Americans facing mobs of armed antifa/blm roaming their neighborhoods and beating people with impunity while these congressmen did nothing. Excuse me if I'm not broken up over them possibly facing a fraction of what their citizens have had to face.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Thanks for this. We certainly disagree, however, as many of the terrorists were armed, and some of them heavily armed with ARs.

    1) This is very different from the small percentage of BLM protestors, who were also quite far from the Capital building.

    2) There are no organized antifa.

    3) It was unknown at that time of the invasion who was armed. Many of the protestors had concealed-carry guns. There was thus the potential that she also had one or more weapons.

    4) Anyone trespassing in the Capitol building should expect the potential of getting shot, given the necessity to protext congresspeople, who are often threatened with assassination.

    [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Just say you want people you disagree with dead. You people view racism worse than actual violence you guys have such fucked up priorities.

    You clearly dropped "she was a racist" the same way someone would drop "he was a child abuser" to justify or dismiss her death.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    She's definitely a racist, and I doubt I "agree" with her, but again: if you, I, or anyone attempt to storm the Capitol building and get shot for doing so, we have only ourselves to blame.

    (And as you've likely seen in the news, many are wondering why more of these terrorists were not shot.)

    [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I gotta tell ya, everytime floyd has come up on here, there wasn't a whole lot of outrage. That there's more sympathy for some dumbass that was trespassing in the capitol building isn't surprising, though. She was white, she was a Trump supporter, and this is Saidit.

    [–]insta 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    She was white, she was a Trump supporter

    Which is why you won't remember her name next month and why her death will mean nothing.

    [–]Artistic-Mastodon-25 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How do you "trespass" in a public building?

    [–]Dudemanguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    75 million people voted for trump. She wont be forgotten so easily, nor will the behavior of Republicans. Hopefully this will be the death of the gop and out of the dystopian crackdown to come a new populist party or a new realignment of the political reality.

    Between this and $2000 stimulus checks the gop killed, i dont see how the republicans can recover. The dems arent a viable option either. They are the party of blm and antifa.

    [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    a new realignment of the political reality.

    The only hope going forward is the breakdown of the Dems. The electoral map looks bleak for the right going forward, especially since the GOP is going to try it hardest to rebound back into internationalist neoconservativism. Get ready for Dan Crenshaw 2024 and for the GOP never to get over 250 ever again. Another 4-8 years and Arizona is gonna stay permanently blue, and no way Texas is staying red beyond 2024. Florida will likely flop and Ohio is never a given either. The future is not looking good.

    [–]Dudemanguy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    By realignment im talking about Huey Long style populism, or at least something radically different from conservatism Inc. Neoconservatism is dead and buried, there is zero chance of it making a revival no matter how hard some wealthy donors try to keep it alive. Thats why many neocons rebranded themselves as liberals, it wasnt just opposition to trump. They know the brand was ruined during the Bush years. They have zero potential appeal to non boomer conservatives and the US too deep in debt, too dysfunctional and has too many resurgent enemies for neoconservatism to work anymore. Dan Crenshaw is largely a punchline, he's a 2004 style politician in a 2020 world.

    Im talking about an anti globalist, populist, ecologically conscious brand of socialism that rejects anti white racial identity politics and empire entirely.

    It could also possibly mean a break up of the US.

    [–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Im talking about an anti globalist, populist, ecologically conscious brand of socialism that rejects anti white racial identity politics and empire entirely.

    More people are subscribed to Ben Shapiro's podcast than subscribe to that brand of nationalism.

    It could also possibly mean a break up of the US.

    That won't happen. The cancer will just spread through major cities and slowly the US will founder. Texas has maybe until 2028 until it's blue and it shows zero signs of rebelling and if it's not Texas it's not gonna be any other state. Baby boomers are gonna be pushing 80 years old soon and once they go there's not many options left. The future of the right, IMO, relies on the left overplaying their hand. And even there white guilt runs so deep that I think a good chunk of people are unsalvageable, no thanks to two years of absolute control of all branches by the GOP. First thing they should've done is tackled post secondary, now Trump is going to be censored by ideological driven tech workers educated in lefty hell holes. Get fucked Trump.

    Dan Crenshaw is largely a punchline, he's a 2004 style politician in a 2020 world.

    Something we can definitely agree on. His political ads are fucking cringe beyond belief. He won't win but the GOP doesn't really want to win anyways so they'll prop him up and others like him.

    [–]Dudemanguy 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

    What the fuck is wrong with you? Floyd literally died of a fetanyl overdose, and his name face and footage of his death was played on an endless loop to incite anger, riots and violence as corporations poured money into the mess and politicians literally kneeled before rioters.

    By contrast this woman was shot in cold blood and most of the msm refuses to even say her name.

    [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    People overdosing on opiates are in a borderline coma. They aren't gonna be as active as Floyd was in the time leading up to his arrest. Y'all read that he had drugs in his system and then told yourselves a bunch of nonsense lies to avoid confronting the police brutality problem. No, he didn't die of a fucking drug overdose.

    In most police training you are taught not to use those types of restraining moves precisely because of the breathing problems it creates. He didn't die because of a drug overdose; he died because a sociopath kept weight on his neck for several minutes after he had been restrained and despite the fact that the situation was well under control.

    [–]Dudemanguy 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Well I guess you know more than the professionals who conducted the autopsy that said he had a lethal dose of fetanyl in his system. He also had a cocktail of other drugs in his system which means this wasnt solely an opioid overdose.

    I'm not saying the guy deserved to die, or that the cop acted appropriately, only that the epic city destroying overreaction to his death was fueled by gross media irresponsibility and those with an agenda.

    By contrast you openly justified and mocked this woman's death. This cop intentionally murdered an unarmed woman because she crossed a boundary he apparently declared off limits, and you support that. So spare me your crocodile tears about Floyd.

    [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    the autopsy

    Well, I certainly know more than you. First off, there have been 2 autopsies performed. Both of them concluded the cause of death was homicide by strangulation. The difference is one of them mentions the drugs in his system as a complicating factor. But even that autopsy still concluded strangulation was the cause of death.

    But right-wing clickbait sites don't care about "facts and logic". They care about clicks. So they took the fact that drugs were in his system and used that to argue that was the real cause of death. And clearly, it worked, because we've got people like you claiming that overdose was the coroner's conclusion unironically, when in reality it never was.

    And also, no I don't fucking support her death. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of conservatives that don't care when it's a some black person committing a crime, but when it's a white MAGA lady, now the death is outrageous.

    [–]Dudemanguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    That there's more sympathy for some dumbass that was trespassing in the capitol building isn't surprising, though. She was white, she was a Trump supporter, and this is Saidit.

    Well you certainly seemed to be implying here that trespassing is a legitimate death sentence, especially when committed by a "white" "dumbass". You seem to have an issue with "whites" and Trump supporters. What's going on big guy? Where does the hatred come from? Anything you want to disclose?

    [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Genius, the point is that you guys are a bunch of hypocrites that only care about police brutality when it happens to one of your own. When it's someone else, "they were breaking the law" is enough for a lot of you to excuse the cops' actions.

    [–]Dudemanguy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There have been numerous cases of police brutality, much of it fatal, carried out against "my own" ie white people, the people you appear to hate. I dont recall ever bringing up any of those past incidents. Nor do I recall mass riots, violence, protests, and media hysteria over any of them, unlike Floyd and other blacks. I do not automatically circle the wagons and defend the "victim" every time its someone of my own race, which is definitely not what we see with some other groups. I am bringing up this death because it is the highest levels of the state carrying out an impromptu execution of someone for committing trespass.

    Yours is the hypocrisy, and everyone can see that. You have some problem with whites, for reasons you wont disclose.

    [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    You know, I think you are both right in a way. Neither Babbit nor Floyd should have been "martyred" by their respective sympathizers. They both put themselves in each of their respective positions and paid the consequence. I'm sure Floyd didn't plan on OD'ing after getting caught passing fake money (read the coroner's report, his death had nothing to do with the cop kneeling on his neck). Babbit didn't think her actions of violently breaking into the US Capital would result in her being shot (the cop had every right to assume she was breaking in to do bodily harm or murder). Did either "deserve" to die? I don't think they should have, but they, themselves, helped make it happen.

    [–]Dudemanguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    the cop had every right to assume she was breaking in to do bodily harm or murder

    Based on what? Did she communicate a threat? Did she have a weapon? Did she carry out any previous violence during the encounter? She was told not to enter a room. She attempted to enter the room and was shot dead because of it. Keep in mind this is 2020, when media approved mass riots, beatings and murders have been carried out nationwide for months on end over cops doing far less to individuals doing far worse.

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I guess you've heard by now that a Capital Police officer was killed by a blow to the head with fire extinguisher.

    I look at it like this:

    I put myself in Babbit's shoes. There's no way I would have broken into the Capital building under these circumstances, much less tried to break through a barricade with guns drawn on me.

    I put myself in the officer's shoes. There is an angry mob trying to breach a barricade having already violently assaulted other officers. It was his job to keep the occupants safe. He had every right to assume they were going to be assaulted with deadly force if the mob broke through.

    The nationwide riots are other incidents. I support mass arrests of violent and even "peaceful" protestors who disrupted traffic and business (more than cases of mild inconvenience). I even support Kyle Rittenhouse's self-defense. Imagine yourself in those situations. Would you even be there? If not, maybe you shouldn't be making excuses for them; Ashli Babbit or George Floyd. Actions have consequences.

    [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    (read the coroner's report, his death had nothing to do with the cop kneeling on his neck)

    No, you read the fucking coroner's report. There were two autopsies performed, and both concluded that Floyd's death was homicide by aspyhyxiation. One of the reports, however, mentioned the drugs in his system as a complicating factor. Even though that report also ruled it a homicide, right-wing sites took the drugs and spun a narrative about how the autopsy concluded that Floyd died because of an OD. But it's not true and it never has been.

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Hey, we're both wrong. The medical examiner released memos along with the autopsy report. These statements were in those memos:

    "The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation,"

    and

    "Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

    We both stand corrected.

    [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    No, that first line was only in the draft report. It was removed in the final report, which did conclude that it was a homicide.

    And the final report only points out that he might have lived had he been younger and healthier. That doesn't mean the officer didn't kill him. He did.

    [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks for educating me. I was confused about the timing (and meanings) of those reports.

    [–]copenseethe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That was also very sad. The guy that sold him the fentanyl should be brought to justice.

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      [–]Kyto113 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Completely justified killing of an anti-American terrorist