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[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The evidence:

http://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

https://web.archive.org/web/20150428090025/http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/the-righteous-mind-by-jonathan-haidt.html

And in a survey of 2,000 Americans, Haidt found that self-described liberals, especially those who called themselves “very liberal,” were worse at predicting the moral judgments of moderates and conservatives than moderates and conservatives were at predicting the moral judgments of liberals. Liberals don’t understand conservative values. And they can’t recognize this failing, because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment.

Johnathan Haidt's research has so far uncovered six evolved psychological mechanisms of social perception, subconscious intuitive understanding, and conscious reasoning. He calls them moral foundations. He ALSO finds that moral foundations are the essential building blocks of human society. In his 2008 TED Talk "The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives" he explains that human society is possible through the use of "all the tools in the toolbox." It's no coincidence that evolution pre-wired them into our brains.

Haidt finds that conservatives use all of them but liberals use about half of them, and of that half mostly just one. There's no conservative moral foundation that is not also a liberal one, but half of the conservative foundations are external to, and inaccessible by, liberal cognition.

When half of the evolved psychological mechanisms of social perception and understanding are essentially unavailable to one's subconscious intuitions and conscious reasoning one is left with no cognitive alternative for understanding people who think differently but to conclude that they're afflicted with some sort of mental dysfunction.

A conversation about social issues between a liberal and a conservative is like a conversation about rainbows between a color blind person and a fully sighted one in which the color blind liberal "knows" that the sighted conservative is an extremist nut case because he sees moral colors that "everybody knows" are just not there, and conservative think liberals are misinformed because they DON'T see moral colors that everybody knows ARE there.

R. R. Reno concluded his review of The Righteous Mind in the magazine First Things as follows:

"Thus the profound problem we face. Liberalism is blind in one eye, yet it insists on the superiority of its vision and its supreme right to rule. It cannot see half the things a governing philosophy must see, and claims that those who see both halves are thereby unqualified to govern."

"You keep doing the same thing you're accusing others if, and whinging about."

I'm not a member of the Reddit Hate Brigade, on this website for no other reason that to destroy and demoralize. You are.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That's not the evidence I asked for, and you know it.

We all know you can post links about what poor misunderstood souls conservatives are - that what you do. That's all you do. One. Trick. Pony.

But that's not quite all you do... of course you also accuse others of various things, getting it completely wrong - but no, you don't project like we all know you do, you're misunderstood.

Oh, and now you're being victimized again lol! I'm here to hate on you and oppress you! You poor, poor souls.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Actually it is the evidence you asked for. Conservatives have a five axis value system while leftists have a two axis value system. And since justice will always lose to harm reduction, leftists effectively use a one axis value system. You're talking about people who see the world in black and white versus those who see in full color including ultraviolet and infrared.

"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side; if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion."

-- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"

We all know you can post links about what poor misunderstood souls conservatives are - that what you do. That's all you do. One. Trick. Pony.

You neither addressed nor refuted anything that I said. This is a personal insult, the bottom of the Pyramid of Debate. If you have any evidence that leftists have more than two moral axes I would be happy to consider it.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is a personal insult

jeez, I just can't stop oppressing you can I.

If you have any evidence that leftists have more than two moral axes I would be happy to consider it.

You're trying so hard to change the subject, now that you been asked for evidence that you can't produce. Of course you've accused me of changing the subject. You keep doing everything you're complaining about. Including insulting me, then claiming that demanding the evidence you mentioned is a personal insult to you.

I'll ask again... does this stuff ever work?

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Personal insults aren't arguments.

The issue that we are discussing is that leftists have a blindness when it comes to seeing conservative values. Something illustrated quite nicely by this comment chain where you do nothing but get angry and hurl insults.

I'll ask again... does this stuff ever work?

It does when you deal with people who agree on facts, reason, and Enlightenment values. Something the SJW left rejects in favor of lived experience and the very idea of objective truth, like 2+2=5.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Personal insults aren't arguments.

So why do you do it?

Are you gonna provide that evidence you mentioned that conservatives don't lie like rugs or not? Pretty clearly not I guess. You're gonna keep pimping the same stories claiming to be misunderstood and oppressed and suffering insults while misunderstanding and trying to oppress and insult.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are you gonna provide that evidence you mentioned that conservatives don't lie like rugs or not? Pretty clearly not I guess.

It's due to the lack of understanding of values, like I said. Of course you're going to say conservatives lie. "We need borders" and "we need to take care of our own people first before we help others" and "2+2=4 and it will always be thus" are conservative values that leftists simply do not understand (unless they independently re-invent them on their own on the leftist commune) so of course you're going to say they're lies.

It's been said that people don't have ideologies, ideologies have people. I feel like that right now. I'm not talking to someone who wants to learn something or gain more knowledge about the world, I'm talking to someone who just wants to recapitulate his or her ideology and is not interested in a discussion - exactly what is predicted about adherents to Critical Social Justice Theory.

Say, what's 2+2?

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are demonstrating that conservatives lie, that conservatives project, that you call the kettle black. You said you had evidence that you refuse to produce... because you don't, and you didn't. You accuse me of trying to change the subject as you try everything possible to move the discussion away from that simple fact. You accuse leftists of misunderstanding conservatives while repeatedly demonstrating that you are not talking to who you assume, and insist, that you are. You insult me and claim that I am insulting you. You repeat your favorite line over and over because you think you lose less when you don't diverge from that one trick.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I presented the clear and convincing evidence that leftists are totally unaware of what conservative values are. So what are they? Do you seriously think lying is a conservative value? You're precisely who the research is talking about.

[–]FreedomUltd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're straw manning and trying to change the subject. Do I think lying is a value at all for anyone? Of course not. Smoke and mirrors.