Top Pathologist Claims Coronavirus is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public”: The virology expert also says “masks are utterly useless. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. It’s utterly ridiculous."

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[–]RuckFeddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

I have stayed far away from the corona stuff the past few months, but the topic of masks won't fucking go away.

Can someone simply answer me this: why is a mask useless for preventing water droplets from your mouth spreading to other surfaces?

I'm assuming the virus is still transferred via water droplets, not air. I'm not taking a stand here, I would just like this answered. I know surgical masks aren't made for filtering air, that's not the point.

[–]jet199 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Have you worn a mask. It just makes all the breath come out the sides instead of the front. It will protect someone directly in front of you but people to the side and behind are screwed.

[–]Inspector_Monkfish 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do surgeons wear masks?

[–]Lahontan 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The virus is something like .01 microns in size. N95 only filters down to .03 microns. How can a mask block something smaller than it's rated to block?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

those little microns sit in water

[–]Archie 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The virus does not travel alone. It is carried by water droplets, who are much bigger and easily stopped by the mask.

[–]RuckFeddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm still waiting for a source on the air transfer part.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You just reddit 😂https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article In case you need another source: this is the CDC - click on the link that leads to methods and results

Forgive the pun. The redditor in me still shines through every now and then

[–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

N95 masks are very effective for the smaller particles; 'attractive' properties of molecules result in their getting captured by the fibers. This is why you can't wash and re-use them, as it ruins these properties. The mask are also effective for larger molecules. It's the mid-sized molecules that are harder to effectively block and in fact the N95 moniker means that the mask blocks 95% of mid-sized molecules.

There are numerous vids on YT that explain it fully, if you're interested.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Its transfered in the air, can travel 30 feet and only n95 and above masks stop that.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this is called aerosol

it can not just travel that far it can float in the air for hours. This is why being in doors where air filtration isn't as good is worse than being ooutside, of course in winter now people don't want to be outside as much.

I think for years the medical community denied that any viruses could spread via aerosol. Just because the health insurance companies wanted to deny it because they didn't want to provide treatment for people that got sick thru those means. Or because big businesses didn't want to spend more money on HVAC flitration systems. Now they still are not admitting this while at the same time recommending masks which won't do much but will help maybe like 5% to stop corona. I really don't think governors want to order lockdowns which hurt the economy but feel they have no choice to stop this.

Second hand smoke from ciggs spreads thru aerosol and we can see the smoke with our own eyes, smell it with our noses, so that is not as controvrsial altho many still hate that we can't smoke indoors in most places. This corona is like breathing out cancer causing smoke 24/7 not just when you're smoking.

Brownian motion explains the scientific principle where as these things can float, you'd thing gravity would pull it right down but it is less dense than the molecules in the air.

[–]JohnHandcock 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Its transfered in the air, can travel 30 feet and only n95 and above masks stop that.

yes, when i was younger and i would massage a certain part of my anatomy, yes, it could travel up to thirty feet and a mask is advised.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Are you saying that at certain age you stopped petting your trouser snake? How long did that take?

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Wait, we're supposed to stop?

fapfapfapfapfap

When? fapfapfapfap

[–]JohnHandcock 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

in my late fifies, every once in a while i get a spark out of it, and sometimes it can catch me off guard and it actually scares me a bit. omg, am i glad that curse has played itself out.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

fapfapfap I'm still waiting for a reason fapfapfap to stop. fapfapfapfap

The fapplecopters are closing in, I'm screwed

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm finally screwed. Don't have to fap. breathes deeply, sighs

[–]JohnHandcock 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i thought that it was the cocaine that was making me think that the fapplecopters were following me from one titty bar to another.

[–]RuckFeddit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Can you sauce me on the air transfer bit? if that is the case then yes, masks are useless unless they are N95.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Do you mean source? Just type it in to a search engine.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

thats the problem litterally google just what you said and it has what is likely fake news saying the masks work, that is the problem with saying search engine it, do you mean a different search engine

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

It's spread via "Bio-Aerosols", rendering cloth masks useless. If you can smell smoke or perfume while wearing one, then you know they're ineffective since the virus is smaller than the scent molecule.

To get past Google results censorship, use search.joshwho.net or swisscows.com, for a start. Many others.

[–]Archie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Aerosols means water droplets. Those are big enough to be stopped by masks.

What you should use to research scientific publications is the ncbi website or sciencedirect.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Aerosols means water droplets.

Oh really?

Bioaerosol Definition: A bioaerosol is a suspension of airborne particles that contain living organisms or were released from living organisms. These particles are very small and range in size from less than one micrometer to one hundred micrometers.

[–]Archie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you understand what "suspension" means? It means a mixture containing particules. In this case, the mixture is fine droplets. The mention "droplets and aerosols" you will see in some publications basically means "droplets and very fine droplets".

In any case, masks are effective at limiting spread of aerosols: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I dont think you understand. A Bioaerosol does not necessitate the presence of moisture.

And again until you understand.

Bioaerosols are airborne particles, solid or liquid. They can be large molecules or volatile compounds. They contain living organisms. They will vary in size from a fraction of a micron to around 100 microns.

Also, like the CDC first said in the spring, this is why cloth masks don't work.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Aerosol, a system of liquid or solid particles uniformly distributed in a finely divided state through a gas, usually air.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The first three links I got were to studies showing that it's likely covid-19 spreads thrpugh the air. Im working so not in a position to dig deeper while on my break with my phone. Sorry

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

oh yeah I know what you mean it spreads thru air now that doesn't mean it doesn't also spread thru droplets so the masks still help altho not 100%, it'd be a fallacy to argue that since no one said wear a mask and you're 100% safe

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It helps like pulling out stops pregnancies. In that they don't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

bad analogy because pulling out does help stop pregnancies, not 100%, but no one said it would. 100% would be not having sex and not getting close to anyone ever. But you do have to do certain things like buy food in a grocery store, so that is where you must wear a mask.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You talk about bad analogies but then use the only analogy that would actually stop the spread. 100% lockdown. LOL

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can someone simply answer me this: why is a mask useless for preventing water droplets from your mouth spreading to other surfaces?

The mechanism of transmission is not currently understood.

Numerous studies have been conducted about the use of protective gear among healthcare workers, and sanitising procedures.

Most studies are looking for statistically significant reductions in confirmed cases of influenza among healthcare workers based on the use of protective equipment.

The summary of the studies that I've read.

There's no statistical significance in most studies between N95 masks, and the common disposable medical masks.

Other studies have looked for a reduction in confirmed cases of influenza between wearing a mask vs no masks.
Again, no statistically significant difference.

It's gets more interesting, because some of these studies also include additional hand washing in their studies, vs. no additional hand washing procedures.
Again, no statistically significant differences.

In these studies the researchers state generally in their conclusions that everyone already knows that hand washing reduces influenza transmissions, etc.
They aren't willing to rock the boat.

So, they continue to recommend the hand washing procedures among health care workers for influenza and viruses.

It's probably worth mentioning that these hands washing procedures are generally ignored. If they were followed, then every healthcare worker would have chronically dry skin, etc, which is why hospital borne infection would be the #2 cause if death if hospitals reported honestly, but that's another subject.

Please do not misinterpret what I'm suggesting...
The hand washing procedures are beneficial for reducing the spread of bacterial infections. Hand washing is important.

However, hand washing doesn't appear to have a statistically significant impact on reducing confirmed cases of influenza among health care workers.

We're told that viruses can float through the air, and survive on surfaces, and in droplets.

I can't find any actual evidence to support this. Which sounds crazy.

Here's another crazy fact. The German court handled a case involving the measles and a lack of evidence for the measles virus.
Apparently the measles virus had never been isolated.

If there are any studies that indicates that the influenza virus has been isolated, then I'd like to see them.
If it hasn't been isolated it, then what do they have imagine the flu vaccines? IDK.

So what are we really looking at?
What is really going on???

Nobody knows for certain (at least publicly).

Competing theories exist to the viral/bacterial infection theories.

Terrain theory worth looking into it you're not already familiar with it.