No one believes biden won

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no one feels like he won actually its weird, something stinks to high heaven i would say and I think everyone knows something weird is going on...

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[–]runtis 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's called fraud.

[–]Franklinville 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (20 children)

Get a grip of reality. Biden won.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Biden cheated. Trump wins by default.

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You wish. Time will tell.

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

If it were 1 or 2% of people who didn't see it that way, you might have a point. But Democrats have now thoroughly burned their bridges with 50% of the voting public. In this situation, "reality" is not so fixed as you wish to pretend...

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Biden won.

[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

So did Stalin, again and again. Is that helpful?

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

...uh. No. Noting that Stalin did, again and again does not help anything. That does not help at all. Thanks for letting me know this information though.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You think Democrats burned the bridges? Getting liberals mad was practically a national pastime these last 4 years. The foot is on the other hand now, have fun.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, the rhetoric from both sides has been divisive and toxic. I don't think that's productive from either side.

But there are two points which particularly condemn the Democratic side: censorship and disenfranchising votes. Democrats - over and above the hateful back and forth - have defined their side as moral, even though in fact their thinking is every bit as hateful as those they oppose. They then use their weight in the power structures of the legacy and social media to silence any Republican response. This is the definition of censorship. Democratic philosophy is working to enshrine itself as a religion from which we are not allowed to dissent. Censorship must always be opposed. Always.

Regarding votes, it's ironic, because Democrats have made the argument for years that they are the party of making sure that votes are not lost due to intimidation from powerful forces. Interestingly, this commitment to getting "all the votes in" has in fact determined their strategy. They did not stop anyone from voting; I'll give them that. They allowed all Republicans to vote. It should be noted that Republicans also appear not to have interfered with anyone voting. I saw no evidence for the Democratic myth of Republicans intimidating people away from the polls. Congratulations to both for that. But Democrats then proceeded to disenfranchise every Republican vote by manufacturing enough additional votes to get the result they wanted (the obviously impossible "participation" in disputed races gives this tactic away). Just because you allow (and encourage) someone to vote, that doesn't make you a hero if you then proceed to negate the vote they cast through overt manipulation of the result. The Stalin quote comes up again and again: What matters is who counts the votes. That's raw power, zero "democratic" about it. Democrats may successfully take and wield power, but popular legitimacy? That's harder to come by.

These are the "bridges" I'm talking about.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Bothsidesism is a logical fallacy.

[–]chadwickofwv 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Getting liberals mad was practically a national pastime these last 4 years.

Yes, disagreeing with liberals certainly seemed like a national pastime. Them getting mad about others disagreeing is completely of their own volition though.

[–]BigFatRetard 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Democrats aren't liberals anymore.

A lot of people like me aren't ok with the bigotry and corruption just because it has a smiley face on it.

Nothing has changed. The Democrats support bigotry and violence, just like they did for the past 6 months.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

get a grip, the results are not even out yet

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Did you get a grip yet??

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So. nothing official until the 6th. we shall see

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True true. We shall see.

[–]definitelyanewuser 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Unfair and unsquare

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The guy simply won.

[–]runtis 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Another case of TDS

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say the same if Trump won too.

[–]ReeferMadness 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is already proof that the voting machines switched votes, no one is denying it they just call it a glitch. When the "glitches" appear more in swing states and disproportionately flip votes one way thay is proof of tampering. When the tampering is done for the clear benefit of Democrat's it is clear that they are responsible.

None of the votes counted by Democrat controlled polling places should be accepted without scrutiny. The fraud is proven.

[–]deleted 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The people don't decide the presidency. The electoral college does.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

tell that to my leftist sjw friends lol

[–]SR77 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They cheated too big, I remember the hype around Obama in 08, Joe had nowhere near the excitement. They actually lost minority voters based on either Joe or Kamala's unlikeability. There's no way he was able to legitimately get the most votes in US history.

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well put. Very succinct summary.

[–]BigFatRetard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If he gets to president elect, we need to call him king Biden, because he wasn't elected.

[–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only king around these parts is King Bezos. Lol

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sadly, I believe we are unlikely ever to come to an accurate tally of which man is more popular. There's too much vested interest involved, and neither side is interested in getting the true numbers, only winning. Because the Democratic side is dominant within the bureaucracy (Democratic philosophy believes the state is the solution, so more Democrats are naturally drawn into bureaucratic positions), they are in the position to put their thumb on the scales quite effectively. The evidence appears to show that Trump would have won absent this manipulation, but there's so many games being played, it's hard to know anything for sure. One thing is clear, based on the direction Democratic philosophy is trending (i.e. toward quasi-religious belief systems which exert overt censorship to prevent dissent): if the Democrats gain power over all the organs of .gov (House, Senate, President, SC), the US will become a single-party totalitarian state. Except that the population of guns available will lead to chaos before that outcome can solidify. It's no surprise the Chinese want Biden to win. That would be a much more familiar situation in which for them to operate. But 50% of actively political citizens hate the other 50%, and vice versa. Where can we draw a durable dividing line and pull to separate corners?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Democratic philosophy believes the state is the solution,

Look at the numbers, both parties have always increased government. Except I think for Jimmy Carter. Republicans talk the talk about limited gov, but they don't walk the walk. They want gov in your doctor's office, and in your bedroom. I meant abortion and fags in case it's not obvious.

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I actually agree with you here. De facto, anyone who supports any party to "lead us out of this" is philosophically agreeing that the government of the US is the tool they will use to that end, and that "the US" is a legitimate structure by which to arrange our affairs. I am aware of the hypocrisy of the Republicans (and equally importantly, of Trump himself) when it comes to "cutting government". It was completely obvious when Trump (correctly) pointed out the fact that the "market" was a joke under Obama only to do an instantaneous 180 upon election and declare that the exact same "market" now demonstrates the success of his complete abandonment of any tiny shred of remaining fiscal discipline. You've seen enough of my comments to know I do not give Trump any loyalty. I respect some of his base. Himself, no.

That said, what I said above does matter. There is a difference between two people doing precisely the same thing if one of them feels guilty enough about it to recognize it as sin. At least for the sinner there is an intellectual path out of the mess. Because Democrats philosophical structure is completely consistent with their actions, on the other hand, they have zero motivation to pull us back to the correct (non-coercive) path. In our current moment (this changes over time, but quite particularly now in fall 2020), Trump's Republicans have taken on at least the rhetorical role of calling out the government (and more specifically the bureaucracy) as the evil cancer it is. Whether hypocritical, two-faced, lying or not, it's better that at least someone continue to state that truth. At least then the banner is still out there, even if tattered and in shreds.

[–]binrobinro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is where it gets good. The House/Congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party that has power. Every State gets one vote and 30 States are held by Republicans.and 20 by Democrats. They have to vote down party lines, they have no choice due to the 12th Amendment of the Constitution and the Senate votes for the Vice President where a similar event will take place.