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[–]Canbot 28 insightful - 4 fun28 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

This is literally terrorism. They are literally trying to manipulate elections by threatening people. It does not matter if the threat is hollow, it is STILL TERRORISM. This needs to be treated seriously and the police should be hunting down the people who distributed those fliers. The community should be hunting them down. There are ring doorbells everywhere. There are traffic cameras everywhere. These people's cellphone pings will show them walking door to door. They can be found, and they should be found.

This is not a partisan issue, everyone should be working together to root out terrorists from society. Even if you hate Trump these terrorists will turn on you eventually over something else. This is not an acceptable behavior.

[–]magnora7 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Assuming it's real, and not just more propaganda to rile people up. It's literally a picture of a piece of paper, I don't think it's good to get too worked up over it without more explanation, a troll could make this in 15 minutes, and just post a picture on the internet. Who knows if this actually got posted to any homes, or anything like that. All the rips and tape just add to the authenticity but I'm not sure if it's real

This type of image posted to the internet is exactly the kind of false flag media nonsense that tries to goad people in to violence, in to a state of affairs where the military-industrial complex would have even more complete control than they already do. Don't fall for the tricks

[–]wuzizname 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it’s so easy to bullshit this kind of thing to get internet points or just for keks.

[–]Fuckyoucensorship 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

According to a reverse image search, first record of it was on tmz.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/10/22/voter-disinformation-campaign-threatens-democrat-voters/

Thats the link.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They call these kinds of threats "disinformation"?

Or are they claiming these are hoaxes, and hence that's the disinformation? They're not very clear on that.

[–]Fuckyoucensorship 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not too sure. I just know this is the first instance of this image on the internet from what I could find. I don't know much about tmz, or where they got the image from only that they used it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TMZ often is the source for many shooting psyop footage. TMZ is entertainment not news. Likely this post is perception mamagement.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TMZ; yup, then it's fake.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read about this a few days ago and it pissed me off so much I started an (incomplete) left-wing terrorism tracker on the Anti-Communist League's website. Organizations like the SPLC pretend to track all forms of "hate" but entirely ignore left-wing terrorism like this.

This is Communism. We have to fight, we can't allow them to kill our Nation! Either we die as heroes, or we die as cowards. There is no other option. Death to Communism!

[–]Leo_Littlebook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Terrorism is the historically standard tribal method of warfare. It's absurd for "civilized" races to pretend moral superiority on a supposed difference in method, when the historical record demonstrates otherwise. The Geneva conventions do not apply in a civil war. Get used to it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, it seems silly to expect people to act all lawful and civilized when it's the law they are fighting against.

[–]zyxzevn 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

For those that don't know history. This is yet another step in Fascism.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Call it what it is: Communism. Every since we opened-up the economy to China the red plague has been spreading within America — infecting every aspect of our society! We must resist far-left radicalism and entirely eradicate this dangerous ideology.

They seek to kill our way-of-life, our People, and our Nation. Terrorist organizations like Antifa and BLM have been burning our cities to the ground, cracking-down on dissent, and murdering their enemies in the streets. We are at war. We are at war with Communism!

Fight! Fight against Communism! Either we die as heroes, or we die as cowards. There is no other option.

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What People? You have a People?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Anglo-American People. The US, Canada, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, basically any English-speaking region on the American continent.

[–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see, there are many dark-skinned folk in those regions. Are they Anglo-American as well? Do you consider them your People?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. They where largely born into the Anglo-American Nation, speaking English, and adhering to our culture. Of course each region has its differences, but we all have the same core traits.

Furthermore, anyone who assimilates is considered to be part of the Nation. If you won't assimilate, though, you're not of the Anglo-American People.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

...in that when you have terrorists attacking random people in the streets, and the state refuses to step in, you see bands of fascists emerge for community defense, and they quickly gain wild popularity.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I'd barely touch that bitch, use my tweezers to pick it up, place it in ziploc bag and take dat bit to the local police department to get it finger printed.

bet ur ass they're in the system.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Within a couple of years the US is going to have a system of dealing with these threats like the Northern Irish have with dealing with those letters they send each other for kneecapping appointments.

That is, not doing anything to stop the attack just confirming whether it's a legitimate threat or a hoax.

There's no point the police doing anything if prosecutors don't back them up.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd barely touch that bitch, use my tweezers to pick it up, place it in ziploc bag and take dat bit to the local police department to get it finger printed.

bet ur ass they're in the system.

That's known as the "csi effect." There isn't a complete national database of fingerprints, that's just a TV thing. And I've never seen police actually "dust for fingerprints" at a crime scene. Pretty disturbing when you get robbed or otherwise have a crime committed against you and you expect cops to pull cc tv footage and collect evidence but all they do is file a report.

[–]battering-ram 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

oh I am sure they are using gloves or something in order to avoid this type of thing.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/AmericanMuskrat /u/jet199 and you too battering - shut up!!! You guys are such negative Nancy meanies and I bet the police would do something so there!

And yeah this comment/reply may be a week late but I just saw the replies in my inbox now so judge me not negative Nancy meanies!!

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Is this the first election where that's happened, or does this kind of thing happen often? It's, what, 20% of the population who've been given threats on their safety based on how they vote?

… Isn't that illegal?

[–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Those are fake.
But feel free to investigate it more.

It is not in line with any of the Proud boys principles to do threats that.
But it is in line with the extreme left principles to spread these as black propaganda or hoax "hate-crimes".
And they have been openly threatening to attack trump voters. And actually do it.

[–]turtlew0rk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why did I have to scroll down so far to see anyone question this silly bullshit? So if Trump does not concede power the solution to that is to burn down the homes of those who voted for him, but only before fair warning to make sure they have a homeowners policy (which is mandatory to have) that covers fire damage (which is the only thing that literally all of them already cover) is in place?

Seems like insurance fraud more so than a military strategy and makes me doubt if people actually know what a civil war even is.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Who cares if it was spread as propaganda? These were sent to a large subset of Democrat voters in Florida; it will have an effect on voting, regardless of what other effect it was intended to have.

Why is one instance of voter-threatening an issue, but another not?

[–]battering-ram 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would this be sent to Democrats as this letter clearly expresses hatred towards Trump which the Democrats are in favor of.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry; I mixed the parties up. I was talking about the one fake-from the Proud Boys.

[–]battering-ram 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ah! that makes sense. I agree with what you are saying man

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's easy enough to dismiss a spam email as low-energy "foreign interference" hoaxers or whatever, but it's quite another thing to have an actual paper notice posted by an actual person to your actual house.

I mean, these might both still be hoaxes. But if that paper one exists, even as a hoax, it's far more threatening.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

True.

Then again, the paper one would've been pretty localised (there's a limit to how many pieces of paper you can put through letterboxes), whereas there's no reason to think the email one would've gone to anything less than everyone in the database.

Which is worse? Few people × very threatening, or many people × less threatening? I think the answer here's obvious: there is at yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When posted on the internet, that photo of the physical piece of paper with a staple torn out of it does psychological wonders though.

It doesn't have to be sent to your personal inbox where you can dismiss it as spam. You just have to see it, and think damn.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm… But wouldn't photos of the paper make people think “we can't let them threaten us” and vote for the threatened-against? So you've got a localised prevention but a national boon… this is making my head hurt. Too much to think about.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

officialproudboys.com doesn't exist, so it's probably spoofed. You should stop using Google, it doesn't have protection against hackers. I use protonmail, and it takes extensive measures to protect you from not only spoofing, but also dangerous scripts such as trackers that utilize remote content.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It used to exist; they lost control of the domain recently. (Though other people think it was a homoglyph attack.)

And yeah, it was spoofed via a compromised saudi-re.com account. The point isn't that it was the Proud Boys (as little as I like them, the organisation probably wasn't responsible); the point is that potential voters were threatened. This will reduce the number of targets who vote, regardless of who was responsible.

I also use ProtonMail, but only because I haven't got a self-hosted system set up yet. I don't think ProtonMail is as confidential as they claim; I only use them because they (probably) don't sell my data to advertisers, and because GoogleMail doesn't block emails from it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, okay.

[–]battering-ram 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Might be a Domain issue because it's available on the Internet Archive.

http://web.archive.org/web/20201017034735/https://officialproudboys.com/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, it is. But if it's not currently up, then how can an email be sent from there? Or maybe just the webpage is down but other ports are still open?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even the “Proud Boys” are doing this? I thought they weren’t radicals, everything I’ve seen makes it look like the protest peacefully and watch the protests to prevent violence. I knew they were aligned with Trump, nonetheless I guess I was wrong. Never really looked into them anyway, just liked their polos as I love Fred Perry.

Not surprising though. It’s so funny how all these people think they’re fighting for “democracy” when they’re trying to threaten people into voting for certain candidates.

[–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think proud boys are threatening people. Those papers are likely fake. You can even ask them.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We did some sleuthing (by “we”, I mean other-people-but-I-was-there-too) and it turns out that that's a copycat domain. So it's not the Proud Boys. It probably is members of the organisation, but the domain shouldn't be considered evidence that the leaders are involved.

Organisations can't really be divided into “radicals” and “not radicals” like that. There's a heuristic I came up with to work out how likely it is for certain people to promote violence against innocents (roughly determined by how well they uphold a certain set of philosophies) – but I'm not certain how good the heuristic is, because in addition to (retroactively) predicting the usual horribleness, it also says I'm much more likely to cause violence than someone like Richard Stallman.

[–]soundsalad 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

THEY SAID PREEMPTIVE.

THOUGHT PRECRIME POLICE HAVE ARRIVED.

[–]kaybepullin23 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Imagine thinking a liberal did this lmaoooo

[–]Chipit[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No it wasn't a liberal. Liberals believe in free speech.

This was a leftist.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Liberals believe in free speech.

It's called the "paradox of tolerance."

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you actually read that essay, its thesis is that the threat of nazis is so imminent and acute that it justifies censorship of the right and free speech for the left. In the 1960s. Yes, he really said that. Popper was an inveterate authoritarian. He'd have put you in the camps, too.

[–]eh-non-plus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I guess the only thing that matters is this is the level of vulnerability we are dealing with. I heard that rich pipo even have armories hidden on their massive landscapes. What are those landscape features where the wall is placed in the trench to give all the advantages of a terrace while still rendering inaccess to various grass consuming animals?

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

they are called ha has

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha

[–]Noreja 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We recommend that you check you home insurance policy

These morons don't even know how to terrorism, do they?

[–]turtlew0rk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are Civil Waring not Terrorisming! Do u even Civil War Bro? Destroying properly insured non military civilian structures after giving proper notice is key to toppling a dictatorial regime. After that.....

[–]CarlDung 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit, better go full roof Korean after elections

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great post /u/chipit. No source just a piece of paper that looks like it was written by a 4chan user.