#the sneaky corona virus.

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[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

It was a statement valid for the narrow context in which it was intended. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear to you (but I think it was clear to you).

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

It was a statement valid for the narrow context in which it was intended.

It's complete nonsense.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

The announcements I've seen have been along the lines of “wash your hands before prodding your mucous membranes, don't cough on people, re-open the golf places, re-open the schools, you no longer need to wear a mask indoors with strangers if you've opened a window a crack”. This advice is “necessary, necessary, hubris, somewhat dangerous, idiotic”. They haven't mentioned chess games, which – if other sensible measures are taken, like ventilating the room, not licking each other's eyeballs and not playing with symptoms – should be safe enough.

Is the statement invalid for this context?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

There is no system in place for "judging" what is "essential" or not. The ENTIRE thing is bullshit.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

You might be surrounded by people who are naturally immune, or something. For once, this is something I have researched, and something I have experience with. Yeah, the advice we're being given is rubbish, but COVID-19 is an actual problem.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

It's a problem that the open honest science is being obfuscated and censored, if this so-called virus is even what they claim with their proprietary tests and vaccines and shit.

Patents on natural life are illegal. Making bioweapons is illegal. Either way COVID-19 patent holding is illegal.

The so-called threat is LESS deadly than the flu, a MINOR problem.

Time for you to dive into some more skepticism in /s/Coronavirus and don't forget to bring your thinking cap.

I don't even know people who know people who got it around here. I know only 1 person on Facebook in SF who got it, and recovered.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I know only 1 person on Facebook in SF who got it, and recovered.

"Got it" means they took some test and some test said the results are positive for an undiscovered illness.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Could be. I know her well enough as legit and saw her photo. Whether she had "The COVID" or not, she was hella sick for a bit.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not suggesting people don't get sick.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I know.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I don't even know people who know people who got it around here.

People around here have been taken away in ambulances and have died. People in my ~1000 strong local community. If people around you aren't getting ill? Great! Doesn't mean it's affecting nobody.

Just because your leaders are taking advantage of the situation, that doesn't mean there's no situation in the first place.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

People die. Average age of COVID deaths is 82. Average lifespan is 81. (Varies from nation to nation.) Always with at least 2 co-morbidities. They're gonna die anyway. People in motorcycle crashes are called COVID deaths. It's fucking stupid. All you need to do is pass a test. We still don't even know what this COVID-19 is other than what they allege it is. The tests are proprietary. Private patented info for profit. There are so many false positives and people being told they have it and they haven't even tested. The thing is a joke if it's even real. ALL doctors, scientists, nurses, and people with related expertise who challenge the official narrative are CENSORED. All they do is drum up fear. They NEVER discuss solutions, such as the potential in the various chemicals and treatments they are CENSORING - including the fundamental Vitamin C.

Just because you want to have blind faith in your leaders, doesn't mean they aren't lying to you perpetually about everything - including this "situation". Shake off the irrational fear porn and wake the fuck up and put on your skeptic hat and do some serious investigating, not regurgitating. FUCK THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA PROVEN LIARS.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Each sentence in order:

Yes. —. —. (True.) Not always, but that's pedantry. We all are. —. Yes. —. I know a bit. Yes. Yes, and it sucks. Yes. Yes. No – they're ignored, that's different; you can still find what they're saying if you look. That's nothing new, and you can still find people who aren't. Not sure who “they” is in this sentence; LessWrong's been discussing this since the pandemic began.

I don't (my leaders suck), and I know they are; I'm sure most people do. I'm not regurgitating. They're not all liars; the Murdoch-owned ones are, but some others (e.g. BBC, unless an election coincides with the charter renewal) aren't.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You NEED to watch this before you continue to have faith in and support BBC and similar government propaganda outlets: /s/WikiLeaks/comments/6ntt/the_bbc_prepares_another_hit_piece_on_independent/

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

First: /s/politics/comments/6k15/the_sneaky_corona_virus/pi4i?context=3

I can't be bothered with your code. Give a proper answer including the question to be clear or don't bother.

"They" = those who censor, the lying government and media, as usual

I don't know LessWrong well. You may have linked him before. There are many more who are also less wrong, and no shortage of them have been shared in /s/Coronavirus if you still doubt.

ALL corporate media are perpetual liars. Including and ESPECIALLY the BBC, Ch4, ITV, CBC, and any government media. You're delusional and hypnotized if you think otherwise. Break free. Just because you like their shows or personalities (why their paid to be there) doesn't mean they aren't professional perpetual liars (even if they don't even realize it).

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You might be surrounded by people who are naturally immune, or something.

Immune to something that hasn't been proven to exist.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

" If the government says it's dangerous, it probably is; but if the government says it's safe, it probably isn't."

It confused me too. It's bad logic, and the government capitalizes on that bad logic, as you've already implied.

However, by your own limited skepticism, you give the government too much credit by believing them at all. If the government says it's dangerous, its in the government's interests to say so. Ketamine or pot are far safer than MANY other things - ie. recreational drugs like alcohol and tobacco or other anesthetics - but Big Pharma can't profit from it. The government claims COVID-19 is a threat to 100% while only 2% even get it. "Terrorism" is a joke when more people die from bee stings, slipping in the bathtub, and lightning strikes - individually. There's no end to their bullshit.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

If the government says it's dangerous, its in the government's interests to say so.

The government's interests are served by big economy numbers. That can't happen if everyone's dead (hyperbole).

The government's also interested in not being shown up by epidemiologists, so they have to at least be seen to be giving good advice, some of the time. If you have no better source of information, my heuristic has (so far) turned that source of advice into a useful one.

(And I'd argue that the terrorism thing is more about psychology, and if it were different there'd be other failure modes, but that's probably an argument for another day; I'm quite tired right now.)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Your logic is flawed, again. All or nothing? Come on man. The government needs the masses subservient, not ALL dead.

The government knows that all you need to do it have enough people hampered (fear, war, sickness, disease, traumatized, brainwashed, racist, divided, disorganized, etc etc etc) to keep them from properly organizing and rising up.

Sure you may be fit and able - but you have children and parents and friends who may also be affected by your "revolutionary" spirit - or more likely consume all of your time/energy that you actually have no time for revolution and it's all you can do to steal an hour or few here and there to watch your favourite sports or talent show.

Moreover you're perpetually being oppressed by the hierarchy of your boss under his boss under his boss, the countless bills and laws and codes and regulations and fees and taxes and and and and... If you could afford an assistant like the rich do then you'd have no worries.

The government has INTENTIONALLY allowed Big Tobacco, Big Sugar, Big Oil, Big Chem, Big Pharm, etc to dominate our lives and allow us to get perpetually moderately sick (also profitable to Big "Health") with expensive shit like heart disease, obesity, etc. Sick enough to be a feeble debt slave, productive and profitable yet not dead.

Yes, you are quite right. Like the drug war, terrorism is bullshit and 100% fear porn and excuse to militarize the police. You're more likely to die from slipping in your bathtub, bee stings, or lightning.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

… RE the fifth paragraph: We're talking about different governments – but that triggered a really big thought about the complex interplay between how what's going on with the US affects other countries and it just hurt my head; I don't think I'm ready to think big thoughts about economic geopolitics.

I think that what's going on most places in Europe is standard lobbying-corruption with some leakage from the big multi-national US corporations; that seems to explain things better than the pure debt-slave model. (Though debt-slave does seem to match what I've heard of the US…)

RE terrorism: Terrorism occurs because it makes the news. Even if you didn't have all the media oligarchies, it'd still make the news; that's an emergent feature of the entire news genre. Not all instances of terrorism are controlled by those who benefit from fear; in fact, acts of terrorism are rather destabilising ways of causing fear compared to the bog-standard “Fear the Others™” that certain politicians so habitually evoke in their voter-bases, so I don't see how they could benefit from doing so. (In fact, I'd suggest that almost none are – though there are situations where it would be beneficial, and I've vaguely heard of a few such situations in inquest reports on the news.) It'd be foolish for them not to make use of such situations when they arise, though.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The different governments excuse is bullshit if they're serving the same bloodlines - just like sports teams that change players every year. ALL governments are evil, corrupt, and Machiavellian.

The next crisis will be food. It's already started. Our governments are sabotaging their networks. Our governments have always been at war with the people. The internet is waking people up. The government must act fast to maintain their mafia powers.

It's not just US corporations - they're all ultimately globalist controlled, whether they're international or not - the hierarchy always leads to the B.I.S.

The news MAKES (and even fakes) the terrorism. How many people get shot in one weekend in Chicago? How many of those stories fits the narrative the authorities want to push? ONLY when they either engineer or take advantage of a situation will the media bother to make you care about that situation, the victim(s), and the divisive issues surrounding it - including the "war on terror". If it's "terrorism" by a person or people on other(s) who don't fit the media profile necessary they won't even bother "investigating"/promoting it. All so-called terrorism is profoundly dependent on the state for its "solutions". They demand more funding, more power, and more weaponry to centrally fight the so-called problem, instead of letting the decentralized people deal with it which would be far more effective. Police and government are always promoted, funded, and rewarded for failing, where in any other job they'd be fired.

Wake up man. The corporatocracy (banks, government, media, etc) is a mafia. If you are a shill then you know this. If you aren't a shill then you're dense beyond words. ALL mass problems are intentional by the corporatocracy, except natural events which they will exploit as they do all crisistunities.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don't live in the US. I don't have it as bad as you. I've got some independent (non-Murdoch) newspapers, and government accountability, and few enough political prisoners I can count them on one hand (most held on behalf of the US), and no concentration camps. Yeah, the leaders of the government don't care about us, but we know that, and there are some people in government who do care. We're only a voting reform away from a functional democracy.

The next crisis will be food. It's already started. Our governments are sabotaging their networks.

That's a testable hypothesis. You expect to see a food crisis in the US. I expect not to see a food crisis in the UK. If there's no food crisis in the US, either you were wrong or you (and others) managed to stop it, and it should be obvious which was which. If there's a food crisis in the UK, I shall be stunned, and pay a lot more attention to what you say, because that's far too strong a prediction to be the stopped-clock effect.

Note that I don't count stuff like “increased demand for flour means you can only buy it in larger bags due to labour shortages in packaging” as a food shortage.

ALL mass problems are intentional by the corporatocracy, except natural events which they will exploit as they do all crisistunities.

We only really disagree on how many things are “natural events”, and how much hidden conspiracy there is in the blatantly-obvious corruption.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm in Canada and my income has not increased, but my food bill has. I'm eating worse than ever now. It's not going to get better.

You should tune in to Ice Age Farmer and /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030. Join in the conversation if you can refute what he's saying. This is the more true fear porn that is not being broadcast but should. I'd rather not fear this but it seems inevitable as they implement their Great Reset to control humanity down to the micro detail. The food crisis will be global. Canada is now building concentration camps, not just for foreign visitors and/or quarantine, and anyone who brings it up in Parliament gets censored. I tried to tell my normie sheeple Dad about the looming food crisis and he didn't want to talk about it. At least you're paying attention. As I told him, I hope I'm wrong and I never want to say I told you so on food shortages.

Labour shortages are part of the problem. If people can't pick them then they can't be delivered - intentionally. With this so-called virus. You're digging yourself a cop out. If farms are sabotaged that also counts. They're not sabotaging and limiting themselves. The food networks are being strangled one way or another.

The grand solar minimum is natural and is limiting growing seasons in colder climates. The weather can be manipulated but much of it is still natural. There is no shortage of inherent corruption - it just takes recognition.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm in Canada and my income has not increased, but my food bill has.

That only suggests food shortages if you assume the efficient market hypothesis, but monopolies, monopsonies and the fact you don't haggle on food prices means it could be price fixing or something algorithmic. (Obviously you have other reasons to suspect this, too, but just wanted to point out the obvious for everyone else.)

Sad to see that Canada's going that way, too.

You're digging yourself a cop out. If farms are sabotaged that also counts.

I know. I'm only exempting shortages due to changes in demand, not changes in supply; the latter is basically the definition of food shortage.

P.S.: Please don't buy into the false dichotomy “safety or liberty”. Assume, for a moment, that COVID-19 is a problem. You can have both.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My statement about Canadian food doesn't mean there are or aren't food shortages. It only means the corporations are demanding more, regardless of the reasons. That said, I expect food to become a problem. If I could recall where I'd link you, but on several occasions since this started I've heard that the 2 best ways to control a population is via disease and food scarcity.

TIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopsony + /s/Terminology/comments/6ng0/monopsony_in_economics_is_a_market_structure_in/

/s/Canada has worse things happening down the road.

You can't have it all. Come to me for computer animation (or any other product or service) and you can only ever have up to 2/3 of these: quality, sooner, cheaper. 33% is always compromised.

I'll always take liberty over safety and choose for myself rather than have my fate decided from on high.

Fuck assuming COVID-19 is a problem. It's clearly not. Perhaps COVID-21 will be a superior bioweapon, and we should be wary. But pretending it's a threat when it's an OBVIOUS excuse for tyranny is a stupid waste of time.