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How many people would support a Ron Paul/Bernie Sanders voting ticket, if such a thing existed?
submitted 1 year ago by magnora7 from self.politics
I think this might be one of the few websites in the world that likes both these people simultaneously. They're both champions of their respective parties, in my opinion. Ron Paul being president and Bernie Sanders being VP would be amazing...
[–]d3rr 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (3 children)
Aye, even though I have concerns that both are controlled opposition. These two fringes have much in common like being anti-war and anti-corruption.
[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Yeah same here, but maybe if they united they could accomplish things and maybe start a new anti-war party or something
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[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Yes, I do not think sanders is like "Let's fool these people".
I think Sanders is for real, and the system keeps him on a very tight leash, because he serves a useful purpose of giving voters the illusion of choice. But he is not allowed to win the primaries. He sees it's fishy, but can't say anything because he knows they'll completely turn on him if he does.
So he plays complicit at the end of the primaries, thinking "next time, maybe I'll get so many votes it'll be undeniable and I can win legitimately, and if I cause a stir I might sacrifice that".
And meanwhile the DNC controllers got their pro-corporate pro-war candidate, and the voters (and Bernie) think they "almost had it", just like every time. And then anyone who says the DNC is corrupt and broken is cut out of the discussion entirely.
[–]Orangutan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
Sounds better than anything else I've seen lately. Has this type of strategy ever been tried lately? I'd name the V.P. as early as possible as well to garner that attention and support that would bring. Who knows. It'll all be interesting to see as it unfolds.
It'd be a cool experiment, but I highly doubt it'll ever happen.
[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
How about a Jesse Ventura Bernie Sanders ticket?
[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 1 year ago (7 children)
two wrongs dont make a right
[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (6 children)
lol. What's your ideal ticket?
[–]useless_aether 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (5 children)
sadly, i dont believe in democracy. its unrealistic. things are too corrupt. a two party system is an especially cruel joke.
i would like to see something like voluntarism or agorism. or the amish way. total decentralization and taking the power back in the hands of the people.
but certainly not masons or commies (they are the same thing).
[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (4 children)
I can see where you're coming from, for sure.
total decentralization and taking the power back in the hands of the people.
total decentralization and taking the power back in the hands of the people.
I've also heard this referred to as "Anarcho-socialism" (the non-authoritarian type of socialism, NOT communism) or "libertarian socialism". I just call it anti-authoritarianism, because the word "socialism" has a lot of baggage. Both capitalism and communism almost always result in authoritarian systems if given enough time, it seems.
The only problem with decentralization is that it has little defense against a highly-organized authoritarian system taking it over. Like the west took over the Native Americans.
If you got the whole world to be totally decentralized and the power in the hands of the people, all it takes is one Hitler-type to take over the world because there will be little defense against a large army. You cannot get rid of armies, unfortunately.
So there has to be some sort of aspect of world culture or something that can defend against this sort of pathogen, leading to authoritarianism again.
It seems humanity keeps going in these cycles of authoritarian to freedom and back again. Except now things are becoming so globalized that it's not just happening on a kingdom-by-kingdom basis or a country-by-country basis. Now it's the whole world at once, and it's a little scary tbh.
Even if you could create a utopia, how can you maintain it? It requires a very specific type of wisdom to be distributed on a culture-wide level, in a way that lasts more than 3 generations.
I wonder if humanity is just doomed to be stuck in this cycle forever.
[–]CA_Taxpayer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
I have traveled a lot, and one of the things I've realized is there is no such thing as a utopia. No matter what system you set up, it carries problems. Often, the differing problems in countries are the flip sides of the same coin. For example, in Europe, there is a lot of job protection. No one will fire you if you call in sick or show up late. As such, you don't live in fear of being fired... and there are days when the post office opens an hour late because the workers were all late. And it is maddening when you have an important letter to mail and you have to waste an hour waiting for the employees to arrive! Things in America tend to run more smoothly because employees know if they fuck up, they'll be fired in a heartbeat. And employees live in fear of being fired and are terrified to call in sick when they have pneumonia.
[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
That's a sensibly balanced view. However I think it's also true that some systems are actually better than others, generally speaking. It's hard to know what the "best" system is though.
[–]CA_Taxpayer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
Thank you for saying that about a balanced view! You have to pick your poison. I, personally would prefer bad customer service over not being able to call in sick when I'm sick. But there are a lot of these "two sides of the same coin issues" and in a society, some of the choices that society made you'll prefer and others you won't... that is why there is no such thing as a utopia. We're all different and have different preferences...
[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (0 children)
the nwo gained control over te world in known, documented steps, those could be gradually retraced, reversed without causing too much stress.. step no1: abolish the united nations. step no2: abolish the bis, and so on.. all these superstructures put in place to enslave us..
gaining control over education, giving people real knowledge would be a game changer.
and putting guns in every home.
these are as important as gaining control over the financial system. crypto and smart contracts are making the banks obsolete.
hitler was put in power by the rockefellers & rothschilds, not by his own will, merit and ambition. i am more worried about the types of rockefellers and rothschilds than the types of hitler.