You guys are so close!! Now apply this logic to voting, politics and a corrupt government..

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[–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Not voting only means that someone else gets to make all the decisions. That's just dumb. Vote for whoever will most likely allow you the most freedom, so then you can focus on improving your own life.

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    [–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Sometimes people just disagree with you and that is why voting doesn't get the results YOU want.

    Yes, we should secure our elections. Yes, it's going to be hard to do. But revolution is harder, more likely to fail, and even if you win the near term effects are horrendous. And in the end you will always be dealing with people corrupting whatever system there is.

    If voting hasn't worked find a better way to vote. Organize opposition to the two party system. Take control of media from the propagandists.

    Flipping the table over is not the way to win.

    [–]HegeMoney 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If voting hasn't worked find a better way to vote. Organize opposition to the two party system. Take control of media from the propagandists.

    Paper ballots were eliminates for an obvious reason.

    Elections are rigged (on both sides).
    Voting has been sabotaged.
    Campaign finance is criminal.

    Voting is a sham.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Political theater.

    I agree with you fully. How can you fix a broken and corrupted system, by using an extension of that broken and corrupted system (voting), which also 'happens' to be broken and corrupt? It's common knowledge dead people vote in the United States (there's other fraud, too), yet people still take this seriously.

    For a position such as POTUS, "leader of the world police", don't you think they'd vet all potential candidates for the potential outcome of POTUS? Make sure they're one of theirs, who are willing to play ball? I've used this example many times, but we do this with basic websites - we have detection for spammers and bots, and do our best to keep them off of basic websites. If we use filtration systems for something as basic as personal websites and projects, you don't think there's a filtration system of some kind for the candidates for POTUS?

    Your next door neighbor will never make it onto prime time TV, debating other presidential candidates, even if they're honestly great and have new ideas no one has ever thought of that would bring the world 500 years forward in 4. No one would hear their voice. Campaigning is pay to play. And just like vetting candidates for POTUS, entities with vested interests support those vetted candidates for POTUS with money (which equals exposure and airtime). Your neighbor, despite hypothetically being upper middle-class, will never become known.

    We're taught anyone can become president - that's true, anyone who has influence, money, power, the proper amount of support and the "right" people supporting them from behind the scenes. The entire election process is an illusion created to give us the perception that we have a free-will, are involved in the election process, and have a voice when it comes to politics and what our government and leaders do. We don't. They do whatever the fuck they want, whether we like it or not.