You guys are so close!! Now apply this logic to voting, politics and a corrupt government..

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Imagine if everyone just said "no" and refused to participate in the system? A real peaceful protest? We outnumber them. They'd have to either play their hand or work with us then. I find it funny that this is on the front page of Reddit right now and adults/people who use Reddit are capable of applying this logic to a social network platform, but aren't capable of applying it to reality, politics and what's right in front of their face - they'd rather act like children.

[–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

The EU may stop facebook, due to privacy violations and spying.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

due to privacy violations and spying

I thought that was Facebook's purpose? So basically the EU is saying Facebook is doing too good of a job, fuck 'em, let the US keep all the intel?

"Long before privacy became a touchy topic around Facebook data, in 2004 when Mark Zuckerberg reportedly called the early Facebook users "dumb fucks" for giving the site their private data. Zuckerberg's "dumb fuck" came while he was chatting with a friend in Harvard, reports the Business Insider. Here is the chat went:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb f***s.

lmao, even back then he sounded so alien, like he doesn't understand human emotions. "I don't know why", they "trust me", "dumb fucks!"

[–]HegeMoney 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They should also stop Google and Apple.

[–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Not voting only means that someone else gets to make all the decisions. That's just dumb. Vote for whoever will most likely allow you the most freedom, so then you can focus on improving your own life.

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    [–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Sometimes people just disagree with you and that is why voting doesn't get the results YOU want.

    Yes, we should secure our elections. Yes, it's going to be hard to do. But revolution is harder, more likely to fail, and even if you win the near term effects are horrendous. And in the end you will always be dealing with people corrupting whatever system there is.

    If voting hasn't worked find a better way to vote. Organize opposition to the two party system. Take control of media from the propagandists.

    Flipping the table over is not the way to win.

    [–]HegeMoney 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If voting hasn't worked find a better way to vote. Organize opposition to the two party system. Take control of media from the propagandists.

    Paper ballots were eliminates for an obvious reason.

    Elections are rigged (on both sides).
    Voting has been sabotaged.
    Campaign finance is criminal.

    Voting is a sham.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Political theater.

    I agree with you fully. How can you fix a broken and corrupted system, by using an extension of that broken and corrupted system (voting), which also 'happens' to be broken and corrupt? It's common knowledge dead people vote in the United States (there's other fraud, too), yet people still take this seriously.

    For a position such as POTUS, "leader of the world police", don't you think they'd vet all potential candidates for the potential outcome of POTUS? Make sure they're one of theirs, who are willing to play ball? I've used this example many times, but we do this with basic websites - we have detection for spammers and bots, and do our best to keep them off of basic websites. If we use filtration systems for something as basic as personal websites and projects, you don't think there's a filtration system of some kind for the candidates for POTUS?

    Your next door neighbor will never make it onto prime time TV, debating other presidential candidates, even if they're honestly great and have new ideas no one has ever thought of that would bring the world 500 years forward in 4. No one would hear their voice. Campaigning is pay to play. And just like vetting candidates for POTUS, entities with vested interests support those vetted candidates for POTUS with money (which equals exposure and airtime). Your neighbor, despite hypothetically being upper middle-class, will never become known.

    We're taught anyone can become president - that's true, anyone who has influence, money, power, the proper amount of support and the "right" people supporting them from behind the scenes. The entire election process is an illusion created to give us the perception that we have a free-will, are involved in the election process, and have a voice when it comes to politics and what our government and leaders do. We don't. They do whatever the fuck they want, whether we like it or not.

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      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Explain why.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Better: protest vote for a third party. Voting is a rigged joke. Might as well try to make it more difficult for them to rig it and expose their corruption (ie. recently the Dems are trying to squash the Green Party).

      [–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      It's easier to rig when you don't vote because they can cast your ballot for you.

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        [–]goatmeal 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        lots of people would die or starve

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qxFZAwpJ80

        How many of these facilities you think exist? Not saying his idea would work.. 6 months is a long time. I'm sure change would come sooner if everyone stopped working - it'd have to. Like I said, either they'd play their hand, or they'd have to listen and work with us. That's the power of "No". 6 months to make a point is way too long though imho, for something of this magnitude you need to make your point over-night almost. We would need a mass-amount of our population to say "No" to the system all at once.

        I give the powers that be a week at most until they buckle. But we don't even have to attack the work route; if no one votes, they're fucked. They can't even fake votes because everyone will know they didn't vote lol.

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          [–]flugegeheimen 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Try to get 12 people to agree and you have a trial.

          So much this. After watching in reality how a group of random people tries to make a decision, it's basically herding cats getting exponentially harder with every new participant added. That's why I can't take seriously phrases starting with "Imagine if everyone" or direct democracy fantasies.

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            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Or the Deep State.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I received a text message after completing the census thanking me and asking me to spread awareness of the census on FB. Just assumed everyone uses FB. I quit that years ago.