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[–]IridescentAnaconda 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So what? A lot of people have "occultist practices" (in fact, even right-leaning individuals such as myself) but simply don't blather on about them in detail. I'm more worried about Marxism than hoodoo or santeria (or asatru for that matter).

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

No, that's not accurate. Most people don't know anything about the occult, but they would be against such tenets as "might makes right". Which is essentially the foundation of the occult since most of their beliefs inherently pit people against each other, forcing a resolution through conflict and resulting in the stronger party winning.

For example the occult teaches that everything is relevant, especially morality and justice and even truth. In other words there is no objective truth or morality, just people's opinions. And when two people disagree the stronger one gets their way. It is literally an ideology based on tyranny, subjugation, and violence.

This is not what most people support. This is what broken people support. People who have been hurt and want to hurt others. People who are depressed and want to watch the world burn. People who resent the world because they are failures.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you are misinformed about the occult. Certainly some people approach it that way (might makes right). There are others that view it as a means to achieve spiritual ends.

But keep in mind that the "might makes right" moral perspective is evident in as many materialist endeavors as occult You don't think advanced military weaponry and data-driven propaganda techniques aren't founded on the principle of might makes right? The reality is that survival in this particular plane of existence entails competition and violence (eating is ultimately a form of violence), whatever tech you use to achieve your ends.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some people approach Islam as a means to be pious and humble and "achieve spiritual ends". That does not change the fact that Islam teaches incredibly violent things. Islam doesn't simply say gays are bad, it says you should kill them. It doesn't say you should not stray from the religion, it says you should be murdered in cold blood if you do. It calls on it's followers to do these heinous things. Just because not all Muslims do them does not change the fact that Islam teaches it, and even requires it. Just because some occultists don't follow the teachings doesn't mean the occult is not about that.

So no, I am not misinformed just because there are people who claim to be occultists and don't follow the teachings. All relativism degenerates into conflict. Without the ability to say that one person is wrong and the other right there can not be a peaceful resolution. And giving examples of other theologies, or other areas where people degenerate in this way does not change the fact that this is what the occult teaches. It doesn't excuse the occult to say others do it too. It is simply a nasty belief system that can only create a violent, unjust, tyrannical and oppressive society.

[–]the-ham-bummer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The right/left schema is propaganda. Conservatives are lumped with nazis, anarchists are lumped with commies. That the right is occultist is evident, see the svastika, see the handshakes of the very rich. But the right is also the conservative religious that does not want to rely on magic practices, and the left is also the materialist.

[–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It seems to me that these are distorted versions of the old African religious practices.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You're making me love BLM again.

[–]Conductive-rabbi 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ew

[–]the-ham-bummer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Black magick matters...

The problem with occult: it either implies that they are baddies, or that they consider everybody else a baddie. Now, let us not talk about probability, but facts. A secret society is justified only by persecution, and gets in the open as soon as it is safe. Persecution is right or wrong depending on the aims of the secret society. Now, the modern nations with their all too similar five point starred or tricolor flags were born out of secret societies. They promised freedom (see the French revolution) and plunged us into the contemporary world which brings slavery to new levels. The mistake has been of tolerating them, and the mistake is fighting them invoking the constitutions THEY invented to avoid talking about God or natural law.

You have the rights you are able to defend. They do not come from a magical piece of paper. The constitution is a cardboard gun that the evil ones fake being afraid of, until you will have been confident enough and careless about other way of defending yourselves. Of course I hope I am wrong but reality agrees with me and disagrees with the blathering of the zeitgeist, so far.