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[–]RoxannaHardbutt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Synagogue Shooter r'soles..

"The synagogue where the shooting is alleged to have occurred is tied to US intelligence & Mossad, Israel is not America's friend research USS Liberty and the "Dancing Israelis," The Goyim Defense League exposes Jewish crimes, Israel did 9/11.

More YouTube expressions of doubt..

Anyone who wants to watch any of these videos should be quick, YouTube is shutting down and flagging all "False Flag" material that questions the mainstream narrative.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It was clearly a power play. But at the same time, Gab folded immediately when maybe they should not have.

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    [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I would immediately transfer everything to a server abroad and let someone else set up the files and code so it continues to be operational, first of all. Instead of shutting it down for weeks because of being completely unprepared for this.

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      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      a national law issue

      It seems like it IS a national law issue and not an industry issue. Who made gab shut down? It wasn't the industry...

      I think they're being pressured too, but I don't think they had a good plan in place.

      The thing is, there are STILL functional thepiratebay websites. I can't say the same for gab.

      It's like they didn't even prepare for this possibility.

      Your question about federated instances is interesting. I think that and server de-centralization are going to be the web 3.0, with sites that can't be taken down by any government.

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        [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        in combination with larger sites not being shut down despite having a long history of extremist content makes it seem to me that the big tech industry is selectively enforcing clauses

        To me, this says that LAW ENFORCEMENT is selectively applying the law. It's not up to big companies to decide where the law is applied.

        For all we know, the selective enforcement could also apply to GoDaddy. We do not know that GoDaddy is doing this by their own choice, it's very possible their hand is being forced by legal indictments.

        I think law enforcement is hiding behind the big tech companies to pull off these bans, personally. So that people like yourself blame the censorship on private companies, and not on the government, because that might get people angry about the 1st amendment being violated, and those in power don't want that. So they hide behind google, and paypal, and godaddy.

        But yeah, the lack of contingency plans is extremely concerning, to the point where it almost looks intentional by gab. They received a large round of funding just a week before shutting down, and seemingly really dragging their feet about finding a new hosting provider. There's thousands of ones that aren't GoDaddy, but they stuck with them despite them having known censorship problems.

        I bet the NSA/FBI basically forced GoDaddy and Paypal to do this to Gab and Gab got paid already so they don't care that much. It's possible it's just between the companies without law enforcement being involved, but this would be my guess. There's a reason it all happened at once.

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          [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          True, but as long as there's no court order it's up to the big companies if they enact, say hatespeech, clauses in their private TOS'es and shut down sites.

          In theory, but there are tons of gag orders and indictments that you never hear about, by design. Warrant canaries are a thing for a reason.

          but I find it more plausible that there's either an expressed or silent agreement between a lot of the large tech companies with giants such as Facebook with Zuckerberg and Google with Schmidt as examples of companies with similar politics and ideology that encourage censorship.

          Totally possible, I don't doubt it. I just also think there are governmental forces involved. When things get to this large of a scale, it's hard for it not to be that way. The government always gets involved in anything this influential. So the policies of facebook and twitter and so on reflect, at least in part, the hand of the government. Because of all these indictments and other forces acting upon giant companies like facebook and twitter.

          The 1st amendment doesn't apply to me nor the majority of the users of the big tech services. That aside, if the coordinated and one-sided censorship and takedowns continue (regardless if they're private or law enforcement) I believe the US users will argue that certain big tech platforms, social network and hosts included, aren't protected by section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which would be a big problem for a lot of big companies.

          I think you are right. Hiding behind the shield of "censorship is okay because it's private companies doing it" falls apart when it's something that literally hundreds of millions of people use, and should probably best be re-classified as public infrastructure, like the electric grid, mail, or firefighters.

          The end goal is to better control public discourse. Your scenario and my scenario are not mutually exclusive, but rather complimentary.

          Here's one thing, from 2015, just the tip of the iceberg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/12/facebook-says-governments-seek-more-and-more-user-data-and-takedowns

          This type of behavior by the government is happening on reddit, on facebook, on instagram, twitter, and many other giant platforms.

          They'd be stupid not to, from their perspective. And who is stopping them?

          Section 230 sounds like a great route, but what senator is going to vote for it when facebook (and twitter, instagram, etc) each throws a couple hundred thousand dollars their way to prevent it?

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          We need some Facebook-posted false flag action to shut down Zuckbook..