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[–]AsInBeer 18 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

Fully agreed. If the government refuses to protect its citizens then the citizens have a right to protect each other.

[–]NiceDickBro 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

Honestly that’s how I see it too, a lot of people saying “why was a 17 year old out at night with a gun?” Or “He shouldn’t have been there in the first place and it wouldn’t have happened!”.

When you take away police then there is no one else, when people are setting your town on fire and no one is doing anything then why should you sit back and allow it to happen? Age is irrelevant, I can imagine a lot of people are sick of the bullshit. Good on him

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Also "should not" is contrary to FREEDOM. He's there because he chooses to, and that should be enough for anyone.

[–]AsInBeer 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Juries have a right to jury nullification.

refuseToConvict

[–]HegeMoney 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Jury nullification works both ways.

Careful what you wish for.

Although, I agree in this particular case.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only need one juror anyway.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Except it's not "his own town" it was a town 30 mins drive away, and he wanted to play cop. He could've just ignored it, now he's going to jail for a long time because he wanted to shoot people.

[–]Ergu 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He will not go to jail for a long time unless we learn something new. Travelling 30 minutes to another town does not negate the right to defend yourself. There is no evidence that he went they with the intention of shooting people, and there is evidence that he went there with the intention of providing aid. His age is irrelevant to his constitutional rights. He will walk if everything we know is a complete and accurate picture.

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    [–]johnnybravo 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    I'll have two thanks

    [–]Trajan 14 insightful - 9 fun14 insightful - 8 fun15 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

    If defending oneself against violent paedophiles and women beaters is wrong then I don’t want to be right.

    [–]magnora7 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (34 children)

    Eh he traveled across state lines to shoot at people, not exactly a hero.

    Also the people he killed came from other states too.

    This whole conflict is being orchestrated by the most extreme elements on both sides. They travel in to create escalations.

    This is not something to celebrate.

    [–]christnmusicreleasesIndependent[S] 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

    Actually he lived 30 minutes from there, he just got off of work. He's in the area. He was there to provide medical assistance, but he had to intervene in a more direct way.

    [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    He was there to provide medical assistance

    Suuuure he was. What a convenient cover for traveling 30 mins to shoot and kill people

    [–]wrongthink 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    And how many minutes did the people who were shot have to travel to get near the buildings they wanted to burn?

    [–]Ergu 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They just went there so they could get shot

    [–]christnmusicreleasesIndependent[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    That's not travel.

    [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It is if he had no other reason to be there, he clearly went far out of his way to get involved

    [–]christnmusicreleasesIndependent[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    No, he worked in the area, and was asked to help give first aid.

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      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Yeah, it's a great cover for doing what he actually did

      [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Maybe he wouldn't have shot anyone if they didn't attack him first?

      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      He put himself in a very dangerous situation because he wanted to shoot

      [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You seem to know a lot about his intentions, and are judging his character because of his self-defense, and placing zero blame on the instigators who attacked him. Curious.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      and placing zero blame on the instigators who attacked him.

      I blame them too! They also came out of town.

      What I'm commenting on is the fact some people seem to think this guy is some sort of hero, and he's not. Not at all. No one involved in this story is.

      Everyone involved was playing stupid games, and won stupid prizes. No one deserves praise here.

      [–]Scruffy_Nerf_Herder 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      I agree that what happened shouldn’t be celebrated but saying “he traveled across state lines to shoot at people” is stupid. He was running away and didn’t shoot at anyone that wasn’t trying to attack him first.

      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      He literally traveled 30 mins in his car, out of his way, to get involved. He actually did travel across state lines to shoot at people.

      [–]wrongthink 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      There is close to 0% chance that Kyle gets convicted on most of the charges thrown at him. If you want to understand why you can watch the rest of this vid (timestamp preincluded) https://youtu.be/HvyrJ6lkCXQ?t=3796. It's good exercise to take a short walk outside your filter bubble now and then. You can watch it at 2x speed if the thought of actually listening is that scary to you.

      [–]Scruffy_Nerf_Herder 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      He worked in Kenosha so that’s not “out of his way”. According to this article he went to went to work and helped to remove graffiti before hearing about a business owner wanting help protecting their dealership. Stupid thing to do considering he’s 17 but I haven’t seen anything that proves his presence at the protest was part of some malicious murder plan.

      [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      30 WHOLE MINUTES!? HOLY SHIT THAT'S AT LEAST HALF AN HOUR

      Where are you people getting this idea that 30 minutes is a long drive? Christ, that's most people's commute to work.

      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      30 mins is a long way to drive to go participate in a violent riot. Most people try to stay away from those, rather than spending half an hour going to them

      [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      So what is an acceptable amount of time to drive somewhere for you? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? What length of time would it take for you people to stop using the "30 WHOLE MINUTES" argument? 30 minutes is not a long drive. And I'm glad someone at least is finally standing up to domestic terrorism.

      [–]CheesyPeas 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

      Something something pyramid of debate. Something something maybe stick to the facts something something this aint that.

      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      What did I say that wasn't a fact? You can't just go "pyramid of debate" anytime you disagree with someone to shut them down, that's not how this works

      [–]CheesyPeas 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      'Eh he traveled across state lines to shoot at people'

      This is pure supposition.

      You are assuming intent with no knowledge of the actual intent.

      You do not know this to be the case at all. Did he cross state lines? Yes. Did he do it explicitly to be able then shoot people? Pure projection. You have no fucking clue the reasons why.

      And you talk of orchestration whilst being guilty of such yourself.

      [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Man, you just shut down the creator of the site with his own rules.

      [–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Ey, nice one

      [–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Kyle is no hero, but I don't believe he came that night looking to shoot anyone, either; he was just a dumb kid that got separated from his group and was being chased by a group of thugs. It probably would have ended with him running away with his tail between his legs, except one of the retards chasing him decided it would be a good idea to pull out a pistol and fire it into the air, and that was when things escalated. If you want a detailed (and entertaining) write-up of what happened that led to 2 people dying, I posted a link to an article about that here.

      [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      He brought an assault rifle and neoprene gloves, he was clearly prepared to shoot someone, and did.

      [–]FediNetizen 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      He brought a bag with first aid equipment, which is where the gloves came from. When treating an injury you wear those gloves to keep things sanitary.

      He wasn't there with a gun by himself, either; he was there are part of a militia group, and all of them had guns. As this is America, lots of protestors and counter-protestors bring guns to protests. It doesn't mean they're looking to shoot someone just because they have them.

      [–]wrongthink 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      He went to work that day and stayed around at the request of his friends, one of whom was nice enough to arm him.

      [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      None of this would have happened if terrorists weren't actively burning down towns.

      [–]RibbitAndBreve 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Uh, which town has been burned down? You imply multiple towns have been...

      [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Kenosha, Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle to name a few.

      [–]Antifa 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      The right to bear arms.

      Just don't use them.

      [–]wrongthink 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      They clearly meant that you're allowed to saw a bear's arms off and keep those at home untouched.

      [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If I have bear arms then you better believe I'm carrying them all the time.

      [–]igorness 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

      Yeh, he's a real sweetheart

      https://v.redd.it/vsrmdvtogzj51

      Count 1: FIRST DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

      Count 2: FIRST DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

      Count 3: FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

      Count 4: ATTEMPT FIRST DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

      Count 5: FIRST DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

      Count 6: POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18

      [–]Scruffy_Nerf_Herder 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

      Those are charges, not convictions

      [–]igorness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Duh?

      [–]bald-janitor 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      🙄

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]igorness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        His crimes are on film. There's zero chance of him getting off.

        [–]HegeMoney 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        The criminality of the legal system.

        Every specific detail is a separate "crime".

        Is a shooting more serious if it's a person under 18?

        [–]igorness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Yes, the parent should be liable too.

        [–]HegeMoney 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

        So... you'd rather be shot by an adult?

        And if a teenager shot you, then you would ruin the parents and prospects for that child's siblings?

        Have you actually thought this through?

        [–]igorness 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        I'd rather white supremists instigators stay home from an essentially peaceful protest to instigate.

        [–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        essentially peaceful protest

        Yeah, those were PEACE fires dammit.

        [–]igorness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Outside agitators.

        [–]HegeMoney 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        We're they local protestors?

        [–]igorness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Local protesters, outside agitators. Happens in every major protest anywhere, George Floyd, Berkeley etc. They just mix in with the peaceful ones and the peaceful ones end up getting beat up for trying to stop them.

        [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Makes no difference, the town was still burning. Try again.

        [–]aldoushuxleyghost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Perhaps you've heard of this troublesome American judicial concept: Innocent till proven guilty? Legal analysis by a defense attorney ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMmCAbJT6U0

        He already has high power lawyers chomping at the bit to rep him... very likely he will get off.

        [–]christnmusicreleasesIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        All false counts.

        [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Wait, did you just throw the charges he was charged with in an attempt to retroactively defame his character? Nigga W H A T.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        I donno, blasting that guys bicep was a miss.

        [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        2 out of 3 ain't bad.

        [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        2 out of 4. After Rittenhouse fell over there was actually another guy that kicked him right before skateboard dude came in. Rittenhouse fired at that guy and missed.