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Kenosha Mile Challenge
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[–]JeanValjean 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago* (22 children)
Left out 17 yr olds can't open carry in Wisconsin.
https://www.grgblaw.com/wisconsin-trial-lawyers/open-carrying-gun-wisconsin
Might seem nit-picky, but such is the nature of the law, and that transgression (i.e.: anything he did with that weapon illegally) opens him up to everything else, from a legal standpoint, nothing he did was legal.
Did he act in self defense? At the moment the video clips are available and show what is going on, probably, but they lack context as to what happened prior, and that's irrelevant regardless if he never had the right to open carry in the first place.
[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun - 3 years ago (13 children)
Can't open carry handguns. Long guns are exempt.
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (12 children)
Show me the statute which reflects your position.
Wisconsin is an open carry state. This means that gun owners can carry a loaded gun in public. Gun owners do not need a permit or license to carry a gun in public. A person is considered to be “openly carrying” a gun when a casual observer can see the weapon.
There does not appear to be a differentiation between pistols or long guns here. Enlighten me as to what I have missed, and specifically, how an underage pistol open carrier is ok as a rifle open carrier.
[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun - 3 years ago* (11 children)
https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/hunt/youth.html
Buried somewhere in statutes related to hunting. Unless you think the Wisconsin Department of Natural resources is breaking the law with their youth hunting programs. If you look up youth hunting Wisconsin you'll see all sorts of stories / YouTube videos, etc. It's only now that a youth had to put down some berserk Marxists that I'm seeing posts questioning the legality of teens w/rifles.
I'm quite certain a DA stretching for murder charges when there is extreme evidence of self defense would stack any other stuff they had there as well. The fact that they have not shows there is no legal basis at all for it.
[–]JeanValjean 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun - 3 years ago (10 children)
Buried somewhere in statutes related to hunting.
Don't see it. Sorry.
Link to the relevant text.
18 yrs old is not 17 yrs old. Your boy had no right to open carry. Then he decided to kill people.
Seems pretty cut and dried.
[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 6 fun - 3 years ago* (9 children)
Wisconsin Legislature 948.60(3)(c)
This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593.
Translation: it is legal for a person under the age of 18 to open carry a rifle so long as the barrel isn't illegally short, they're not under the age of 12, they're not under the age of 16 without parental supervision, and they're not hunting without a permit. He's clean.
[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago (3 children)
boo yah
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago (2 children)
Not quite, the subsections he quoted relate to hunting. Sorry to say, but your boy is going down, and all the premature booyahs in the world won't stop it from happening.
[–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
looks to me like two of your boys went down.
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun - 3 years ago* (0 children)
My boys? I don't have any boys out in the streets doing ignorant shit at present. My fellow enlightened human beings, those who understand we are being pitted against one another, are at home taking care of their families, getting ready to go to work tomorrow.
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago* (4 children)
29.304 Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age.
and
29.593 Requirement for certificate of accomplishment to obtain hunting approval.
Maybe if he was in the woods looking for deer you'd have a point, but the subsections you cite do not apply because he was not hunting, at least not in any legal sense.
[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago* (3 children)
That's not how laws work. Things generally aren't legal because they're expressly permitted, things are legal when there's no law against them. If the section was specific to hunting, that would be clearly stated within 948.60(3)(c).
I highlighted the text of the pertinent subsections and they both related to hunting only. My take is a 17 yr old in Wisconsin can legally open carry as long as they are hunting. Hunting can only legally occur in legally designated hunting areas....i.e.: the woods.
Conversely, running around open carrying in the streets of downtown Kenosha, where turkeys and deer are few and far between, not so much.
[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
That might be your take, but it's wishful thinking. If the law said, "Any person under 18 years of age who goes hunting...", you might have a point. But the law is clearly talking about "Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon," so it applies broadly.
[–]Canbot 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun - 3 years ago (4 children)
He has a constitutionally protected right to have a gun. Any law that says he can't is unconstitutional.
[–]christnmusicreleasesIndependent 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
This.
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago* (2 children)
While I agree with you in spirit, the laws of Wisconsin do not permit him to open carry (unless hunting) until he is 18 yrs old. He's 17 yrs old.
[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
Those laws are illegal. Ergo they aren't worth mentioning. Least of all to make the retarded argument that everything he did was illegal because he broke some law, and therefore his self defense claim is void and he is guilty of murder.
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago* (0 children)
Those laws are illegal.
As long as they are on the books the DA can use them to put you in jail. The DA has done this.
Least of all to make the retarded argument that everything he did was illegal because he broke some law
Lol what? That's some serious cognitive dissonance right there. Just reread your statement here a few times for full effect. He dindu nuffin lol, you too funny with the jokes man.
[–]bobbobbybob 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
the bit where the first dude aimed and fired a pistol at him makes any defensive response ok, imo
[–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
I'm sure burning down buildings is illegal too.
[–]JeanValjean 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
Depending on who the Governor happens to be.
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