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[–]yayblueberries 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Covid-19 hasn't been a public health problem in a while now. It's all lies and bullshit at this point to continue destroying the economy.

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    [–]noice 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Because of all the nursing home patients that were killed off in April.

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      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      By mis-care and mis-diagnosis

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Not all of them have missed it.

        [–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Replied to the wrong person, so I'll try again:

        The death rate in the U.S. has been steadily growing for decades (thanks obesity and opioids). This years growth rate is less than last years, meaning the death rate growth has gone down. You can see the raw stats right here:

        https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

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          [–]jelliknight 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

          The virus is different to what we initially thought it was. More deadly and less contagious. 'Flattening the curve' is the strategy for a virus which can't be stopped by distancing, which results in good immunity for people who've had it, and for which there is effective medical treatment. You're aiming to slow it down so that everyone can get the treatment, then be immune. Covid CAN be stopped relatively easily through social distancing and doesn't have very effective treatments, and we're still unsure how long immunity lasts after infection, so 'flattening the curve' is the wrong approach.

          New Zealand started on a 'flatten the curve' strategy, then responded to new information, changed course, and eliminate the virus. They still haven't seen a resurgence. It took 4 weeks of hard lockdown.

          [–]Zahn 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          The virus is different to what we initially thought it was. More deadly and less contagious.

          Yes, very different. It's a bad flu. It's more contagious and less deadly than we thought.

          [–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          No. You are wrong. In Australia where we are far from overwhelmed by the virus the fatality rate (dead vs recovered) is 2.3%. It's also unlikely that asymptomatic cases are skewing the odds significantly here because we did a blitz specifically to seek out asymptomatic cases and found only a handful out of tens of thousands of tests. The worldwide fatality rate is around 6%. The fatality rate for influenza is less than 0.1%.

          "The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza." Currently the USA alone has had 160,000 deaths from corona and it's getting worse and it's only August.

          To be clear, the corona virus is not as bad as a pandemic CAN be so it's no where near as bad as the worst initial estimates. It's a tutorial level pandemic. The bubonic plague's fatality rate was 10-50%. But it is real, it's NOT just a bad flu, it's a genuine threat, and we need coordinated action to deal with it.

          [–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          All of your sources are circumspect to suspicion. You are framing a reality for yourself based on skewed statistics from untrustworthy organizations. How many of these deaths were elderly, immuno compromised, or had other co-morbidities? Realize too that as more people get tested, there will be more people being shown as positive who have already had it, further inflating numbers.

          Parse that information out first, then find out how many seasonal influenza cases there are compared to the last 2-3 years worth of data. In the U.S., seasonal flu has plummeted to historic lows in direct correlation to the Covid spike. This obviously indicates that they are mis-counting the flu, in some cases, to being the scary Covid. Have you researched the accuracy of the different tests?

          Have you looked past the narrative and done your own research, or are you just regurgitating WHO data talking points? If you don't try to prove or disprove what you have been told, then you don't own that as a belief. You've become a brainless automaton parroting someone else's beliefs. Don't rely on others to do your thinking for you.

          It's a bad flu, stop being so scared.

          [–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          How many of these deaths were elderly, immuno compromised, or had other co-morbidities?

          If by this you mean "how many of those people would've died any way?" We can find the answer to that. We look at excess mortality. We know how many people would die in any given month due to old age, accidents etc. We also know how many people have died each month since the pandemic started. Minus the expected from the actual and you have the excess mortality. This number is often HIGHER than the number of deaths recorded due to covid, due to lack of testing. Many people assume that there are a lot of asymptomatic people out there not getting tested and that is skewing the death rate higher. But at the same time there are a lot of people who die of corona but it gets reported as a stroke, asthma attack, or heart attack. Some data is a big wiggly and based on assumptions but the number of people who died last month is an absolute figure.

          Realize too that as more people get tested, there will be more people being shown as positive who have already had it, further inflating numbers.

          I realize that. But we can account for that by looking at the percentage of those tests which come back positive. Testing for people who have been sick previously and recovered is different to testing people who are sick now. It's a different test.

          In the U.S., seasonal flu has plummeted to historic lows in direct correlation to the Covid spike. This obviously indicates that they are mis-counting the flu, in some cases, to being the scary Covid.

          You are wrong. Confirmed cases of covid are cases where they have tested and found that specific virus. It's not a guess. We're seeing lower instances of flu deaths here in Australia too, it's due to people staying away from the most vulnerable to protect them from corona and as a consequence also protecting them from the regular flu.

          Have you looked past the narrative and done your own research

          Yes. I've been reading studies. I've been following the data day to day pretty much since it started.

          It's not "scared" it's rational risk response, ratlicker.

          [–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          We know how many people would die in any given month due to old age, accidents etc. We also know how many people have died each month since the pandemic started. Minus the expected from the actual and you have the excess mortality

          That is a guessing game of speculative junk statistics. Some of these 'excess mortality' could be dying from other related variables including the lack of medical care because the media/gov hype machine has everyone running around scared shitless, so they're not getting the care that they need. I will spare you the report, but that's the real health crisis, that people are putting off routine medical and mental health care. The virus is overwhelmingly dangerous to elderly and immuno-compromised. What I'm saying is if 99.5+% of those that die from it are in this vulnerable group, and the rest who get it generally only experience a bad flu at worse....why is everyone else quarantined, jobless, wearing masks? If a person is vulnerable they should quarantine at home with an N95 mask on.

          I realize that. But we can account for that by looking at the percentage of those tests which come back positive. Testing for people who have been sick previously and recovered is different to testing people who are sick now. It's a different test.

          Perhaps you could clarify. This may be different in different places, from what I understand there is one standard test administered. If someone comes in with symptoms, they test and its covid...there's one count. For people who are not sick, and test positive, that counts as another "victim of the covid". So when they say 100 new cases today, and half of them recovered months prior and didn't even realize they had it...that intentionally conflates the figures to sound more menacing.

          We're seeing lower instances of flu deaths here in Australia too, it's due to people staying away from the most vulnerable to protect them from corona and as a consequence also protecting them from the regular flu.

          You're more trusting than I am, I only wish I could regain your childlike innocence. Following your same logic, Covid cases should be decreasing as well. However, they are not. In the US it was a dramatic seasonal flu drop, just as covid was going vertical. According to your logic, I would then be led to believe that taking safety measures against Covid only really works for the flu instead.

          Yes. I've been reading studies. I've been following the data day to day pretty much since it started.

          Read the counter points for once, would you? There's value in proving your beliefs.

          ratlicker

          Im going to pretend this is a term of endearment.

          [–]dong_master 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Yep and everyone KNEW this already in March. China did a hard lockdown because it worked. Same with South Korea, NZ, most of Italy, etc. America is really the only relevant country that can't do a full lockdown due to citizen unrest.

          [–]noice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          It's possible that China placed lockdowns because they could, and put out a bunch of outward-focused propaganda (spraying shit in the air from trucks, or by people in hazmat suits) in order to play up the deadliness of the virus. I wouldn't be surprised at all by that.

          [–]noice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          More deadly and less contagious? Haven't we seen the opposite?

          [–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          Yeh but men can be women now. So it's all good.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Corona-Chan identifies as a deadly virus so you’ve gotta die so we can count your death as a Corona-Chan death, bigot.

          [–]jelliknight 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I suppose it depends on when and whose estimates you're comparing it to.

          They found that, overall, the number of people who died after getting sick with the coronavirus was 1.4 per cent. In comparison, estimations by the World Health Organization in early March said 3.4 per cent of diagnosed patients had died. source

          Currently, about 6% of people diagnosed globally have died (considering the dead and recovered, excluding those who are still ill). But a few months ago due to lack of testing the USA was rocking a 25% case fatality rate so predictions made then would've been higher than the reality now. We won't know the exact fatality rate until the whole thing's over.

          By less contagious I mean that initially many people believed that the elimination approach couldn't work. That the virus would remain on surfaces or suspended in the air for weeks and months and would flare up as soon as restrictions were eased. Compared to those expectation, it's been quite easy to stop transmission in New Zealand and several Australian states. We'll wait and see if a similar approach is effective in Victoria once the Virus has become established in the community.

          [–]Turn0ffy0urmind 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Obviously the electrical charge of the virus particle attracted the lightning, like a microscopic lightning rod. Makes perfect sense, they're not cooking the numbers.

          [–]ctvzbuxr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          The only thing cooked was the guy hit by lightning, probably. (sarcasm)

          [–]Fetus_inhaler 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Covid-19 is bullshit. Not saying it is not real, it most definitely is a thing. But this bullshit about cases and deaths, it should not be people cancelling you because you went out of your home. What the fuck?!

          [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Lightning gave him the CovAIDS?

          [–]mongre 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          There has to be a list of these somewhere. Someone is keeping track of all the fake cases, right?

          [–]Edge_Finder 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          i was hit by a truck, death was listed as covid-18

          [–]Reddit_Sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          god damn it I thought this was in WPD and we would get to see a wicked video but I guess not :(