Socialism: Why World’s Worst Idea Won’t Die

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[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

I wish the world's largest socialist project would die - the US military.

Socialist by involuntarily taking from the tax payers to "protect" them from "enemies" who never leave their homelands.

Meanwhile they could be socialist by involuntarily taking from the tax payers to provide healthcare like every other civilized nation on Earth and/or provide decent education that won't make you a life-long debt-slave.

Of course you "capitalist" Americans are so programmed against "socialism" that you can't even see the hypocrisy through the trees of all the other "socialist" projects you benefit and/or "benefit" from.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

BINGO.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I wish the world's largest socialist project would die - the US military.

So do you actually think that without a military the US would be perfectly safe from foreign powers?

provide decent education that won't make you a life-long debt-slave.

Grants already exist for those who need them. Public colleges already exist with subsidized tuition. People who spend more money on college degrees than those degrees are worth are the only people in "life-long debt" and they do that because they are stupid. You can't fix stupidity by making those degrees free, all that will happen is that the cost is passed on to less stupid people who would otherwise spend that money more wisely and make the country better. The stupid people will simply make excuse after excuse for their failure and go in for degree after degree; learning nothing of value and wasting 10x more than they otherwise could.

There is absolutely zero evidence to show that those countries with free college gain anything of value for it, and a mountain of evidence that they have fewer start ups and less innovation.

If college is worth the money than no public funding is needed. If it is not worth the money then we should not be funding it with public money because anyone stupid enough to waste money on it should be the one who suffers the consequences of their stupidity and no one else.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

" So do you actually think that without a military the US would be perfectly safe from foreign powers? "

The US military (with the CIA, NSA, Mossad, Zionists, etc etc etc) are the greatest threat to humanity and the leading instigators of violence globally. Get rid of the biggest bully and the next one will take its place but at least it won't be as big - and maybe it won't even be a bully if everyone else keeps it in check.

" Grants already exist for those who need them. "

That's a giant crock of shit and you fucking know it. If the grants existed then there wouldn't be an education debt crisis.

This isn't about your subjective judgements on how much/little "those degrees are worth" or whether "they are stupid". (Granted, there are problems there too, including all the gender studies bullshit.)

I didn't say "free" education, though it's very possible and IMO should be implemented. I said "provide decent education that won't make you a life-long debt-slave."

If you want to talk about stupid people - talk about the corporate media, the common core, video games, etc and the intentional dumbing down of the masses. People without taught skills or motivation will not spontaneously gain momentum and start being "productive" or self-reliant. Or maybe you'd like to just euthenize all the "useless eaters".

"The stupid people will simply make excuse after excuse for their failure"

You seem to be doing a better job of it than they are.

"There is absolutely zero evidence to show that those countries with free college gain anything of value for it"

Clearly you haven't bothered to look. The Scandinavian countries do better. Cuba does really well considering. I'm quite certain there are many more. But you'd actually have to research it instead of making blanket statement lies.

Why must we "be the one[s] who suffers the consequences of [your] stupidity" ? Maybe go to Voat or something where you'd be better suited.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The US military (with the CIA, NSA, Mossad, Zionists, etc etc etc) are the greatest threat to humanity

There are many examples of genocides perpetrated over and over, especially by communist dictatorships. China is currently ethnically cleansing itself of Muslims. Myanmar had an ethnic cleansing a year or two ago. These are the greatest threat to humanity and the US military is the only thing standing in their way.

I assure you grants do exist.

This isn't about your subjective judgements on how much/little "those degrees are worth"

There is nothing subjective about it. If the degree you got does not increase your earning ability more than it costs you than it is OBJECTIVELY not worth it. It easy to determine if a degree will be worth it by looking at job opportunities, and outcomes of others who have the degree. Liberal arts degrees are known to be worthless, and anyone who gets them is thus OBJECTIVELY RETARDED.

Or maybe you'd like to just euthenize all the "useless eaters".

It is absolutely not a decision between wasting hundreds of thousands to give retards worthless degrees or kill them. They should get jobs that don't require college. Yes, those do exist. Whatever job those retards with worthless degrees are doing is exactly the job they could have gotten without having wasted time and money on a libtard arts degree.

Scandinavian countries do well because they are high IQ. Cuba does not do well at all. They are the perfect example of this. Everyone has a college degree, and not one single thing of value has come out of there. No discovery, no invention, no cleaver contraptions. Why isn't Cuba producing programmers like India?

Getting a degree does not mean you are qualified to do anything. It does not mean there will be a job waiting for you when you get out. Not everyone is meant for college. Forcing everyone in is stupid and counterproductive.

[–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Liberal arts degrees are known to be worthless, and anyone who gets them is thus OBJECTIVELY RETARDED.

Disagree here. Naive perhaps, but not retarded. Do you remember being a teenager? Were you told that you could literally be anything that you wanted, there are no limits? I know plenty of people who believed that lie when they were 18-22, myself included.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I was told that. I was told to follow my dreams and not worry about money. Everyone I knew had some kind of fanciful dream about a life without labor, where you survived on your favorite hobby. And everyone I know was intelligent enough to think it through, realize they don't have any reasonable way to monetize that kind of lifestyle, and made rational decisions.

Those who don't think for themselves are what I call retarded.

[–]noice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd still argue that this is naive, and I don't think I place as much judgment on the individuals making decisions because of that. I think there's some blurriness to it as well - degree courses lie on a spectrum of employability - where some degrees you might automatically categorize as retarded to obtain, there are plenty which seem reasonable but offer very few prospects.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Who controls China? Zionist-allied Yale Skull & Bones supported Mao and his communist take over.

I know grants exist - but they sure as fuck don't cover much of anything in the grand scheme. PLUS, those grants only go to status quo supporters. Find me a grant that will support independent subversive content and I'll apply for my project.

Meanwhile, the first days in office Trump added 80 BILLION to the military and the MSM didn't blink an eye. That could have covered education and healthcare.

There's more to life than earning ability, objectively.

IQ has nothing to do with it and clearly you're ignorant about Cuba who produces doctors freely to share with the world, despite being cut off from modern tech and meds.

US sanctions on Cuba are a war crime. Cuba might produce programmers if there weren't sanctions keeping them down. You need to play fair to get fair results.

If you think Cuba has no innovations then you know nothing about Cuba. They have been forced to adapt and survive despite the oil and chem sanctions and have far superior farming models than the "efficient" Big-Chem-dependent US Big-Agra.

Not everyone needs to be "productive" when there is technology and plenty. That's how the arts have exploded and why we all watch mindless movies with 300+ animators.

I wasn't forcing everyone in. That's your own invention.

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    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    If the job that requires the degree is worth getting the degree for than by definition you are earning enough to pay for that degree. Why should I pay for your degree so that you can earn more money?

    Stop blaming your parents for your own stupid decisions. Adults go to college, not kids. You are responsible for your own decisions. The internet exists now so you have no excuse for your own ignorance about the results of these decisions.

    My source is the fact that communist countries fall into poverty after cannibalizing the fruits of the capitalist societies they destroyed. They don't produce nobel prize winners. They don't produce innovation. They don't advance science. The don't enrich their countries or people. They can't even maintain the same standard of living as has been developed before free education, let alone improve it in any way.

    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    " Stop blaming your parents for your own stupid decisions. ... You are responsible for your own decisions. "

    If only it were that simple.

    Must be nice to be so simple minded and right all the time.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If I'm wrong explain how I'm wrong. These childish insults aren't cleaver, and they sure as hell aren't an argument. There is nothing more pathetic than making yourself feel right with petty ad hominem attacks.

    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You are correct. My childish insults aren't "cleaver". Also, I can do better than petty ad hominems. For that I apologise.

    Your oversimplified blanket statements paint EVERYONE with the same brush. That is not only simple-minded but it lacks any nuance or critical thinking. It's the egalitarian thinking most rational people despise when individual fairness is required. Everyone's situation is different. Parents, family, generations, society, economics, employment, school, culture, opportunities, and fucking everything in the Universe is ever changing and different. Everyone inherits different evolving circumstances and has to make the best of what they have. Not everyone is lucky the first, second, or even third chance they get - but continue to try they must. Not only is it not just the parents (who you brought up) it's the entire world that is both to blame and to credit for all the good and bad things that happen to you. Maybe your parents were status quo supporters, or ineffective activists, or game-changers - was it enough or too much?

    Yes, it's all far too nebulous the way I've outlined it. Everything and nothing is true, etc etc etc. It's better to be too open than too closed IMO, and you simplify and shut it down, mistaken all the way...

    " My source is the fact that communist countries fall into poverty after cannibalizing the fruits of the capitalist societies they destroyed. "

    Nonsense. Capitalism has wins because they're the most invasive with an abundance of infiltration and corruption techniques.

    " They don't produce nobel prize winners. "

    All awards shows are political and rigged. It doesn't take much effort to find evidence of this.

    " They don't produce innovation. "

    You mean the space race was imaginary and that the West wasn't actually dependent on Russian spacecraft to get to the ISS?

    " They don't advance science. "

    See above. Also, where are all the iPhones manufactured? You can't advance if you don't have manufacturing to build upon. Also, while the biolabs were shut down in the US, the funding was sent to China to set up their bioweapons labs in Wuhan among other places. Sure Coronavirus may have come from China, but it was funded by the US. Both were advancing their evil science and now both are pushing their corrupt scientism. Part of the deal.

    " The don't enrich their countries or people. "

    So all the skyscrapers and millionaires in Russia and China are fiction? Such and absurd blanket statement that it's profoundly idiotic.

    " They can't even maintain the same standard of living as has been developed before free education, let alone improve it in any way. "

    Again. Stupid, baseless without proof, and oh... very stupid.

    You're a waste of time and energy because you likely won't even read this. Further you'll keep on spouting the same shit because you're not honestly here to learn, you're here to debate. I won't indulge you further. Either you're a shill or an idiot, or both.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Your oversimplified blanket statements paint EVERYONE with the same brush.

    So do yours. It is impossible to have any kind of conversation without any kind of generalization. Mine are more accurate than yours because they are true for a larger percentage of people.

    That is not only simple-minded but it lacks any nuance or critical thinking.

    This is wrong. You are trying to make arguments with exceptions. I acknowledge that the exceptions exist; I also recognize that they are exceptions. You don't seem to understand what that means. You seem to think that the only way to be nuanced is to act as though the exceptions are the rule.

    Everyone's situation is different.

    And yet you make generalized claims about how they are victims and not responsible for the costs they incurred. The reality is, and you implicitly accept it, that generalizations can be made; and in fact need to be made to have any conversation at all. Then you want to turn around and claim that my generalization, and somehow only my generalization, must be wrong because of infinite variability of people. THIS IS NOT LOGICAL OR REASONABLE.

    Maybe your parents were status quo supporters,

    My parents were a hindrance not a benefit to my path in life. The leftist claim that we are the products of circumstances beyond our control is bullshit. It is 20% luck and 80% the actions and choices you make. You can claim I am wrong on that all you want, but you are the one running face first into incorrect assumptions about me because your world view is so flawed.

    It is the losers of the world who always believe that their failures are not their fault. It is the winners of the world who believe the opposite. It is the winners of the world who are far more likely to be right because clearly they understand the world well enough to be the winners. It is nothing but a copping mechanism to make bullshit claims about how the winners didn't earn their victories despite not knowing a single thing about them besides the fact that they are winners.

    [capitalism has] an abundance of infiltration and corruption techniques.

    horse shit. There is a reason all the leftists chant "real communism hasn't been tried". The reason is they don't recognize corrupt communist regimes as "real communism". So why is it that all the socialist and communist experiments are so instantly corrupted into poverty if it is capitalism (which lasts hundreds of years with prosperity) that has all the corruption?

    You can't steal wealth from the poor. Capitalism CREATES WEALTH. Even if it is by forcing people to work harder than they normally would, and even if (not saying it is true) the workers are stripped of their products; it is capitalism that got them to make those things VOLUNTARILY. Communism needs to force people to work like slaves at the end of a gun barrel because when everything you get is given to you and everything you create is taken from you NO ONE WANTS TO WORK. It is retarded to think anyone would do any work what so ever when they have everything given to them, and working does nothing but take away their time. And when no one works WEALTH IS NOT CREATED.

    All awards shows are political and rigged

    Oh how convenient. But true or not they don't produce the things that those awards purport to recognize. The Nobel prize comes after the discovery or innovation, and it is that discovery and innovation that does not get produced under communism.

    You mean the space race was imaginary

    It is widely known that most of the technology of the soviet union was stolen through espionage. Including nuclear tech and rocket tech, which was based on stolen tech from Nazi Germany. But there you go again trying to use an exception to argue against the rule. As a rule the US is far more innovative than Russia. Soviet or otherwise.

    Also, where are all the iPhones manufactured? You can't advance if you don't have manufacturing to build upon.

    You are contradicting yourself. The Phones are produced NOT INVENTED in china under the direction of American inventors. Yet it is China and not America that has all the factories and yet America is inventing and not China.

    So all the skyscrapers and millionaires in Russia and China are fiction?

    The millionaires in Russia get their wealth from natural resources, not technology. And again you are using exceptions to argue against the rule. The rule is that people in Russia and China are far poorer than in capitalist countries.

    Again. Stupid, baseless without proof, and oh... very stupid.

    The proof is every country that went from capitalism to socialism or communism. The common man's standard of living goes up for a short time until the money that was "socialized" by the government is spent. Then the quality of live plummets to all new lows. Every. Single. Time. What is stupid is how you can willfully overlook all the evidence and make such a statement that is literally the opposite of the truth.

    You're a waste of time and energy because you likely won't even read this.

    I read it all, despite how stupid and wrong it all is. And I even made the effort to correct it.

    because you're not honestly here to learn, you're here to debate

    What have you learned?

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      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It seems draconian because you think with your heart and not with your brain. Policies based on empathy are incredibly ignorant. You essentially take a special case and extrapolate that to everyone. It is ass backwards. Generalizations always have some exceptions, and thus failures; but they are correct most of the time. What you are proposing is making a generalization not based on what the vast majority is but some exception, making your generalization almost entirely wrong. Empathy is only valid on an individual basis, based on the exclusive circumstances of that individual. This is the great failure in most leftist ideologies.

      It's perfectly fine to wish a homeless person good fortune, and everyone does. Some of us also are intelligent to realize that if that homeless person were to win the lotto it is more likely than not that they would overdose on drugs than get off the streets permanently. So I don't wish for them to win the lotto, not because I am mean, but because I am intelligent enough to understand the consequences and would rather they hit rock bottom and finally find the will and the wisdom to turn their life around.

      Good wishes don't make you a good person.

      [–]EpsteinIsHung 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (44 children)

      God I hate subliminal messaging like this on articles. Even without reading the article, the individual associates socialism to be the "worst idea" without realizing it. Toxic shit.

      [–]chadwickofwv 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (40 children)

      That's because communism has murdered more innocents than any other ideology in historical record. Which makes it the worst known idea that has ever been put into practice.

      If facts trigger you, then that's your problem.

      [–][deleted] 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (35 children)

      Your problem is that associating socialism with communism is actually COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA. Before the commies, nobody ever thought of associating a philosophy of governance founded by Libertarians and Anarchists with communism. But they did that, and the psyop endured for a century or so, and now everybody thinks socialism is the same as communism.

      Why do you think Hitler's National Socialists risked EVERYTHING to go fight Communism in the East, while having no peace treaty with the West? What, have you been brainwashed into thinking that Hitler was insane, too? Him and his socialists knew the very great danger of THE WORST IDEA EVER: communism.

      But repeating communist propaganda psyop material isn't helping your cause. Read 1984 and realize that destroying language is destroying thought, and with no word for the ideas that "socialism" used to represent before getting co-opted by the commies, these ideas can't be communicated effectively anymore. It's akin to a socioeconomic lobotomy of sorts. EDIT: more like... "It's akin to a sort of lobotomy that would only touch socioeconomic thought, performed on whole populations."

      But drones drone on: Socialism is a terrible idea because communism. Sigh.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Well said.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Thank you. :-)

      [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

      He thought he was gonna blitz the Russians like he did France, NA and Poland. he wasn't crazy, just didn't study Napoleon in school like other people who actually got a hischool diploma ...Actually, scratch the part where he wasn't crazy...He was a demented demon in corpore.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

      So that's why he was fighting the demonic invasion? I think you just made off my friends list. You should either learn things and spew less BS or be less obvious with the disinformation. Either way, REMOVED.

      [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

      Wth are you talking about...He killed and ruined more Christians than anyone managed to in centuries. He made eternal victims out of Jews and practically was one of the founders of Israel. What BS did I spew, the fact that he was uneducated or the fact that he tried blitzing Russia? Funny enough I never friended you cos you implied you're schizophrenic or something. I know sadly how those relationships go.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

      Other than a mercury intoxication that diminished my mental abilities by maybe 90%, my mental heatlh is perfect. And I'm STILL smarter than most. You have the wrong guy.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Had any success with chelation therapy?

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Haven't done it yet. I thought it was the lyme disease doing this but upon further research it appears it is more likely to be the mercury offering complications on lyme disease and therefore, the thing to take care of.

      It's difficult getting things done when you have maybe 5 hours of real wakefulness in a day, and maybe 2 when you can actually concentrate. Health problems will do that to somebody. It's not fun.

      [–]noice 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Sorry to hear that. FWIW I really appreciate your posts

      [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      That's great, good to hear. I'm below average but my soul is top notch. No demons running around whispering in my ears.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      My soul is top notch too, but yes, if you have "thoughts", you have demons whispering in your mind. The first thing they do is convince you those thoughts are yours. Tell me, have you never had weird, unhinged, thoughts that were not grounded in facts? Such as "he means (this)" or "(that) is going to happen" only after verifying, these thoughts were way off the mark?

      [–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Well you should tell those demons that Hitler sent millions of innocent people to their graves for no good reason. And recite this many times through out the day:

      Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours now and for ever. Amen.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      I'm bipolar if that counts, plus I was on Big Pharma poisons for 4.5 years and took 7 years to recover to 95%.

      [–]noice 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      What were you on may I ask?

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      We (my doctors and I) tried 17 or 18 different pills alone or in combination. There was no scientific method to the madness they inflicted on me. I not only got woke to their scam, but in recovery I had nothing but curiosity and time and went down all the rabbit holes, even learning about the climate change scam and how many of my family are doctors ignorant of the Rockefeller origins of the AMA and CMA. Scientism is blind faith in private "science" for profit - unvalidated.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You're both correct and early 20th century Europe is not easy to summarize in a paragraph or two.

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      Hitler was a megalomaniac that put his conquest of the world above the needs of his nation. After Russia, it would have been China and India, after that, Japan, Australia, North America. He was going to lose at some point.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      You really should study these matters before repeating MSM drivel.

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Nah, dumbass.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      "conquest of the world"

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      WWI completely destroyed Germany. It would have stayed destroyed without the support of the West to rebuild. The sequel war was planned in the 1800s by Edward VII who didn't get to see the fruits of his conspiracy. Germany wouldn't have started the war if not lured into it. Hitler did not fight as well as he could have for many reasons. Hitler was always going to lose. It seems Hitler moved to South America after. I'm no fan of Hitler or any government on any side, but the WWII narrative we're all told is bullshit when you start looking into it.

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Did you come from Voat or something?

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Not remotely. I just know history more than you obviously. Look into it. Challenge yourself. Examine views that you don't buy into, and maybe you might even change your mind when the evidence is too strong to deny. If you don't look you'll never know for sure. SO FUCKING MUCH of what we're sold through the corporate media is bullshit.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      conquest of the world

      The Germans never had "conquest of the world" as a war aim. The goal was to conquer the food-producing areas of the Soviet Union, so that Germany could not be starved out like it was in WWI.

      It was war propaganda that the Germans wanted to take over the world. I remember watching a newsreel that had the Germans jumping from Algeria over the Atlantic into the Caribbean and then Washington DC - laughable. But that's what they did to scare the shit out of Americans so they'd volunteer to fight in the war.

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Uhhhhhh, SURE.

      [–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Communism is socialism in practice. You are just intentionally blind to that fact.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No. That is WHAT THE COMMIES SAY. You are repeating COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA by saying that.

      Is this so difficult to understand?

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Are you sure about that? American foreign policy and all the coups and shit the CIA have been up to stack up over the last couple hundred years. The USA is the only nation to ever use nukes as a weapon.

      Communism is just as bad and the other side of the coin. 100 million dead under Mao. 40 million dead under Stalin. There's a reason the US doesn't count their kills. Bad for PR.

      [–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Absolutely certain. The death counts of all the wars the US has been involved in put together do not hold a candle to the number of people murdered by the USSR alone. That is counting all deaths on all sides.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Nonsense.

      [–]sproketboy[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      It's because the article is actually about the fact that Socialism is the worst idea.

      [–]bagano1 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      People who study history know why socialism is a scam that hurts more than it helps.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      People who study history know why socialism is NOT communism.

      Just like conservatism is not Alt-Right is not Nazis.

      Get real.

      Dump the tribal politics.

      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Imagine not realizing that socialism is actually diametrically opposite of Marxist, Leninist, and communist ideologies.

      Imagine posting an anti-communist article that repeats COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA as an implicit truth.

      Cute, very cute.

      [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      People need to start asking why it is that the most powerful people in the world are pushing for socialism, and by extension communism. It's Google, Facebook, Hollywood, TV networks, Billionaires, and top level politicians.

      The promises made sound really great, but they aren't real. No one dumb enough to believe them can even explain the details of how a socialist system is supposed to work. All they every think about are the promises made. But the devil is in the details. The oligarchs that are promising the infinite bounty of socialist benefits to the idiot masses claim that the only thing that needs to be done is to give them all the power and they will usher in a new paradigm where the losers of the world will be as rich as the winners. And when they get that power and decide not to give everything away all the idiots will be stuck on *pikachu face.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      " the most powerful people in the world are pushing for socialism, and by extension communism "

      This is fallacious in many ways. Socialism is a process, like science, and they, like capitalism, can be used for good and/or evil.

      The corporatocracy's corrupt socialism, aka Authoritarian Communism, is NOT the socialism most people want, such as proper healthcare, non-corrupt police, affordable education, non-corrupt unions, no-fucking-wars, no toxic pollution, etc.

      That's a huge fucking leap from socialism to communism - as anyone who actually understands politics should know. We've been over this before Canbot so I'm assuming you're a shill with a propaganda agenda or a mental deficiency.

      Every nation on Earth is capitalist and socialist to some degrees depending on the myriad of aspects to discuss.

      " No one dumb enough to believe them can even explain the details of how a socialist system is supposed to work. "

      More fallacious nonsense. Because you can't understand socialism you say it can't be done and continue to demonize everyone who isn't like you. Shameful.

      " The oligarchs that are promising the infinite bounty of socialist benefits "

      The Dems used to, the GOP never did. Now they don't even mask how far right they all are on everything except for their distracting insane political-correctness bullshit. They used to promise healthcare and peace and now they finally admit that will never come to be.

      [–]sproketboy[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      Socialism is a process, like science, and they, like capitalism, can be used for good and/or evil.

      No Socialism is not like science since there's no current way where experiments that fail are re-evaluated. See Venezuela where people emptied the zoos and ate their pets for food. We should have known better by now.

      We don't have any double-blind study to look for - but we do have history. And Lysenkoism is always a threat in a collective ideology. We see this today with complaints about "colonialism" and "white math".

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Yes, socialism is a process, and just because they don't reassess their ways, for better or worse, doesn't mean it's not possible. Certainly in socialist Canada many things are being reassessed and fine tuned - and sadly many things ought to be but aren't.

      Your Venezuela propaganda bullshit is obviously pathetic to anyone who knows anything about it. Get the CIA and the US sanctions out and off of Venezuela's back and I assure you it would flourish even more than ever. Of course the ZOG powers can't allow that or they'd have another independent Iran on their hands.

      " We should have known better by now. "

      We do. You don't.

      Blind faith in corporate profit-driven unverifiable healthcare and technology is Scientism. You are wise to doubt it.

      See also:
      /s/911truth
      /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030
      /s/ClimateSkeptics
      /s/Coronavirus
      /s/Corporatocracy
      /s/CorruptScience
      /s/Gaslighting
      /s/HolocaustSkepticism
      /s/Illusions
      /s/LockdownSkepticism
      /s/OpenScience_Scientism
      /s/Propaganda (aka "public relations")
      /s/PsyOps
      /s/Technocracy
      /s/VaccineSkepticism
      /s/WikiSpooks

      [–]sproketboy[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Yes, socialism is a process

      For the worse, yes. We can't seem to convince naive people to give it up.

      Certainly in socialist Canada

      Canada nor "Sweden" is socialist. They, like all western democratic societies (including the US) are market capitalist economies where the wealth generated is used for social programs. You need to study history more brother.

      Your Venezuela propaganda bullshit is obviously pathetic to anyone who knows anything about it. Get the CIA....

      Yeah because the CIA were in Venezuela telling Chavez to centrally plan their economy and let the technocrats control everything until they fucked up and made life miserable for millions. ROFL. I'm sure the CIA did stupid shit like all government bureaucrats do. But the idea that they fucked up Venezuela any more than their idiot government did is redonculous.

      I also notice you have no comment on Lysenkoism which killed millions and is inevitable when you hand massive powers to unaccountable bureaucrats.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I live in socialist Canada. In some ways more than its ever been, in some less.

      MSM want's people like you to keep spouting how socialism and communism are equivalent but they aren't.

      Since you think the CIA is so ineffective then perhaps you can explain away all the other shit they've done over the last century, including controlling the MSM and brainwashing folks like you into believing they're just some benevolent secret agency. The CIA controls ALL the Dems and has a hand in all their SJW commie BLM agendas.

      I'll tell you why I didn't comment on Lysenkoism. Because it's a big fancy word that guys like you think makes them seem smart. You can call me a Luddite or science-denier if you want to but IMO the proven worse danger is Scientism - as I'd explained. I didn't know I actually had to spell all that out for you.

      In fact, your fancy term reminded me of another fancy term, Malthusianism, an actually useful term that The Myth Of The 20th Century guys often use (I think you'd actually like their podcast as I do):

      /s/DepopulationWatch/comments/5y21/malthusianism_the_idea_that_population_growth_is/ /s/overpopulation/comments/5y22/malthusianism_the_idea_that_population_growth_is/ /s/Terminology/comments/5y23/malthusianism_the_idea_that_population_growth_is/

      [–]sproketboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Canada is not Socialist. It's a mixed market economy. https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

      [–]sproketboy[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      They're not pushing for any of these things per se. They are really pushing for more authoritarianism so they can keep control. Socialism is by design - authoritarian. Why do corporations support the White Fragility book and have segregated training sessions? Union busting.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      ^

      Except it's communism that "is by design - authoritarian."

      All Big Gov is authoritarian, both sides of the capitalist/communist coin.

      Democratic worker coops can be socialist and not authoritarian.

      [–]sproketboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I know you were Mal-educated in our current university systems and all you have student loan debt. I am really sorry for that. https://saidit.net/s/Education/comments/5yj0/everyone_should_go_to_university/

      Communism is the utopia supposedly brought about by Socialism. https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences

      All Big Gov is authoritarian

      True. Read the Road To Serfdom https://all-med.net/pdf/the-road-to-serfdom/

      Democratic worker coops can be socialist and not authoritarian.

      This has never been demonstrated in real life. Please find an example or better yet, start your own coop. No one's stopping you.

      [–]SmallPP 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      And here come the tankies

      [–]bagano1 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      It takes advantage of the fact that most people don't critically think.

      Think of something like, "Everyone should be equal" or "Women should be able to do everything a man can." Ask someone that and anyone would say yes, they agree. It would take someone who actually knows why it's a bad idea to say no. People generally don't want to hear anything negative. The average person is the lowest-common-denominator and isn't intelligent enough to question anything or go against the grain.

      The flaws of socialism aren't taught in school. I had to learn it from a handbook made for GM factory workers that I found in my basement left by the house's previous owners. It explained perfectly why it was basically a scam. Is it possible it was propaganda by GM to promote capitalism and screw people over? Yes, but many of the points they made held up under scrutiny, backed up with historical evidence.

      [–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Any chance you still have that on hand?

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Not sure where it is.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      as long at countries, governments and bankers control money, it won't die

      buy Bitcoin and fight back

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      For those who haven't had the fortune of reading this insightful comment posted deep into this thread, here it is again:

      Associating socialism with communism is actually COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA. Before the commies, nobody ever thought of associating a philosophy of governance founded by Libertarians and Anarchists with communism. But they did that, and the psyop endured for a century or so, and now everybody thinks socialism is the same as communism.

      Why do you think Hitler's National Socialists risked EVERYTHING to go fight Communism in the East, while having no peace treaty with the West? Him and his socialists knew the very great danger of THE WORST IDEA EVER: communism.

      Repeating communist propaganda psyop material isn't helping anybody but the commies. Read 1984 and realize that destroying language is destroying thought, and with no word for the ideas that "socialism" used to represent before getting co-opted by the commies, these ideas can't be communicated effectively anymore. It's akin to a lobotomy that would only touch socioeconomic thought, performed on whole populations.

      But drones drone on: Socialism is a terrible idea because communism. Sigh.

      [–]sproketboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This is not insightful. It's retarded.

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      This man is a well-known crank. Pay no attention to him.

      [–]sproketboy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Karl Marx? Yes.