Unpopular opinion: parts of third-wave feminism directly led to the rise of trans ideology

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[–]just_lesbian_things 21 insightful - 8 fun21 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

Hot response: this isn't an unpopular opinion. This is one of the few things both third wave feminists and their critics (including second wave/radfems) agree on: that third wave feminism paved the road for trans activism.

the need of young men to attain a sense of masculine self-worth

Nah, I think the problem is that young men have too high a sense of self worth. There are young (and old) men out there who think their feelings = reality. If that's not a symptom of ego overinflation, I don't know what is. Men need to get the fuck over themselves.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

There are young (and old) men out there who think their feelings = reality.

It doesn't appear you're making this massive assumption based on any real experience. If you're basing it on the fact that you often see men over compensating for weaknesses or sense thereof, then I don't think you're really paying attention.

[–]just_lesbian_things 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ah, yes, whistlepig. Let me be as clear and unambiguous as possible so it won't go over your head this time.

We are talking about a subset of mostly "young" men who are swayed by "trans ideology". Traditionalists like Jordan Peterson and OP think they're lacking in self worth and that masculine mentorship would be a great cure-all to all their problems. I'm of the opinion that it's an over-inflated sense of self worth that causes these men to impose their personal, emotional problems on the rest of us. I think it takes a special level of egoism to demand that everyone pretend you're a woman because you "feel like one".

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

But people can also be highly confident in one area of their lives and have very low self esteem in another. We recognise that in women all the time, I'm sure men are the same.

Personally I've seen a lot of male detransitioners say that their dislike of their male sensuality was part of the reason for their gender dysphoria. They viewed castration as the key to removing all their problems and to make them a better person. They didn't want to objectify or lear over women so started objectifying themselves as women instead which then lead to AGP.

Male sensuality isn't nice and cuddly, you can see that everyday from how they describe it themselves and act. And it isn't all down to social power structures or women's weakness either, in gay male culture they are even more about objectification, promiscuity, fetish and dominance than the average straight man would want.

So what to do. Do you tell all men they are faulty and evil, but pretend you are not doing that by throwing in the odd "but it's socialisation not biology" as though that helps, or find ways that everyone can express their different sexualities in a healthy way so people don't see castration and putting on an act their whole lives as a great plan.

[–]just_lesbian_things 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're operating under a lot of wrong assumptions about me. I will clear them up.

We recognise that in women all the time

There is no we, because I don't recognise that in women all the time. If you want to make this point, you will need to elaborate.

They didn't want to objectify or lear over women so started objectifying themselves as women instead which then lead to AGP

No, AGPs have no qualms about inserting themselves into lesbian spaces and leering at lesbians. I wish they kept it to themselves, but they very much do not. They have shut down any and all non-inclusive lesbian spaces as well as ostracizing and banning lesbians who won't play along.

Male sensuality isn't nice and cuddly, you can see that everyday from how they describe it themselves and act

I don't give a fuck about male sensuality. I generally do not give a fuck about men. Which leads to my next point

So what to do. Do you tell all men they are faulty and evil, but pretend you are not doing that by throwing in the odd "but it's socialisation not biology" as though that helps, or find ways that everyone can express their different sexualities in a healthy way so people don't see castration and putting on an act their whole lives as a great plan.

I will call out bad behavior regardless of who is doing it. I hope it is socialisation and not the innate nature of men because I like to pretend that people are inherently not bad and, despite my indifference towards them, I like to believe men are capable of redemption. I'm willing to go with your solution, if you have a better one on how to address the bad behavior, but I will not be helping men "find ways to express their sexualities". I think this is a pretty fair deal, more than generous honestly, considering how extremely predatory and disrespectful men have acted towards me regarding my sexuality. Also, it seems that you have a vested interest in making sure dudes don't cut their balls or dicks off, but please understand that not all of us share your passion. I, for one, don't give a fuck. I just don't agree that castrated/dickless men are women and I don't intend to pretend otherwise to help delusional men through their emotional issues.