Unpopular opinion: parts of third-wave feminism directly led to the rise of trans ideology

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[–]just_lesbian_things 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That's not "self-worth", just delusion.

It's both. Plenty of delusional young women with low self-worth starve themselves to death as a side effect of their eating disorder without bothering the rest of us.

Doesn't this behavior remind you of TiMs? TiMs are complete zealots about trans ideology.

No. Trans ideology is a vehicle for male trans people and their egos, not the other way around. You would know if you actually speak to some of these people. They'll support "girl brain in a male body" until you ask them to get a brain scan. They're against gatekeeping until they get past the gatekeepers. They turn on each other constantly. The ideology doesn't have a shred of internal consistency; whether that's self-id/gatekeeping, non-binary identities, or transition itself. Trans ideology is whatever the trans person needs it to be. Trans ideology is constantly demanding support from everyone else and constantly trying to attach itself to other movements (gay rights, feminism, civil rights) because they're parasitic. They have no principles or goals, just a bunch of selfish people in it for personal gains.

You say this because you don't deal with their bullshit. You're watching the shitshow unfold from a safe distance. They stopped being victims when they started forcing their way into women's spaces and demanding that lesbians suck their girl penises. There's nothing low self-worth about demanding that somebody else suck your dick. That's entitlement.

Edited to add: I will say handmaidens and trans supporters are probably closer to your religious zealot example. Now those people (usually women) probably have low self-worth.

"too much masculine self-worth"

I didn't say masculine. Take that out of your quotes.

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The ideology doesn't have a shred of internal consistency

Yeah, unlike feminism. Right. Would you like some patriarchy theory with your bullshit?

Question: once your done with your college lesbianism, are you going to marry a rich guy?

[–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I want to be clear that just because someone has low self-worth doesn't mean they're not a victimizer. In fact I'd state the opposite, that someone who hates themselves is more likely to hate others as well.

TiMs are the perfect example of the self-hating hater. Their own self-hatred opens the door to them hating others. Someone who loves themselves, really loves themselves, is not insecure and is content with others and the world. Someone who loves themselves also does not want to destroy their body or renounce their gender.

I firmly believe if you did an experiment where you took a group of men and suppressed their self-worth, transgenderism would spike among them. Even if you did it so effectively that they constantly doubted themselves and questioned everything they ever thought, all it would take is one radical progressive woman to brainwash them into trans ideology.

Look at Susie Green from the Mermaids foundation. Men with zero self-worth, who are in a constant state of self-doubt, would not be able to question her. They would take everything she says on faith.

Really I'm not sure either of us can convince the other here. But reality bears this out. Throughout human history, men with high self-worth did not try to renounce their masculinity, mutilate themselves, put on dresses, and invade women's baths and dressing-rooms. It's only once third-wave feminism appeared on the scene that that started, and transgenderism grew proportionally with the social success of third-wave feminism. I believe that in the future, as long as third-wave feminism works to suppress male self-worth, transgenderism will only grow with it.

[–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I want to be clear that just because someone has low self-worth doesn't mean they're not a victimizer.

You can also be a high self-worth asshole.

Someone who loves themselves, really loves themselves, is not insecure and is content with others and the world

Nope. Ever heard of narcissism? Psychopathy? Egomaniacs?

Look at Susie Green from the Mermaids foundation

Most AGPs have not heard of her, much less listened to what she said. I don't even care enough to listen to what she says.

But reality bears this out. Throughout human history, men with high self-worth did not try to renounce their masculinity, mutilate themselves, put on dresses, and invade women's baths and dressing-rooms

False equivalence. This didn't happen throughout history, so it's not a good comparison. This is like saying cyberbullies aren't assholes because assholes throughout history didn't dox and harass people on the internet. Women's bathroom and women being allowed in public is a pretty recent thing. There wasn't much to appropriate.

as long as third-wave feminism works to suppress male self-worth

They don't. They promote individuality which feeds into the self-worth of entitled, narcissistic men.