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[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Maybe actually say why child pornography is so bad instead of assuming everyone knows already? I had no idea it was a controversial idea at all until I received so much backlash. I always interpreted it (and still interpret it) as the same as violent video games: depicting a harmful act, but not actually harming anyone in real life. In general, sexual norms in society confuse me a lot. I have seen well-written arguments for pedophiles being more accepted (e.g, this article), but whenever anyone argues against it, they always assume the person they are arguing with already knows why, and just shame them instead of actually trying to convince them of anything. I can accept that the act itself is harmful, but I can't understand how one can simultaneously oppose the existence of media depicting acts which can't be done consensually in real life, while supporting the existence of violent video games where one is virtually killing people, which also is rarely consensual in real life.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

any sexual act with a child is rape. CP is rape

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So violent video games are murder then?

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    [–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I already said on my original comment, that the filming of child pornography should be illegal. I was talking about distribution after the fact, not the creation. And, I also believe paying for filmed child pornography should be illegal, in order to not incentives it. I do, however, believe that the creation of fictional, drawn or computer-generated child pornography should be legal, because literally nobody is harmed in that. Though, from what I understand, that is already in a legal grey area.

    I also feel that one should not be able to be charged of having naked photos of oneself, as has happened in the past.

    Imagine having no idea if the guy standing behind you at the grocery store just jacked off to images or videos of you being raped. An adult does not have the right to distribute a sexual video of another adult without express permission.

    This is why my opinion gets a whole lot weaker, as it involves an actual video of an actual person filmed non-consentually. I didn't bother to specify that initially, though, because I didn't anticipate people arguing about the opinion itself, rather than the censorship of it. I guess I must always be on guard when mentioning it.

    Here's a question though: should such a video be allowed to be distributed, if the person retroactively consents to the distribution after turning 18? I would retroactively give consent for others to view bad things that have happened to me in the past, if enough people wanted to.

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      [–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm talking about what I think should be legal, not what is currently legal.

      And, as I already said, I still think that the sexual activity itself should not be legal. I am talking about the distribution of recordings after the fact, not partaking in and filming of them (or even paying for them), which is much more problematic.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Videos of people being murdered are videos of people being murdered.

      Videos of people being raped are videos of people being raped

      straw man arguments are straw man arguments

      traps are gay, like you.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Creating CP may be rape, but the claim that downloading it is rape is not only stupid but literally benefits pedos. It is precisely this mentality that allows the elites to get away with literal child brothels while putting away "pedophiles" who did nothing more than download illegal content. If not for that kind of scapegoating more people would be asking why nothing is being done about pedophiles.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      strawman argument.

      Downloading CP enables rapists, by creating a market for filth.

      Stop it

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Porn does not "enable" rapists. That is an illogical and incorrect claim. It also does not create a market unless you are paying for it. And if you were half awake you would have noticed that the biggest child porn busts that tracked credit cards back to the purchasers found that most of them went to the Pentagon and defense contractors; that investigation was quickly shut down. They no longer go after those people, they go after the people who share porn for free. That literally undercuts the child porn industry. The government is literally enforcing a child porn monopoly for the child porn producers.

      Stop being emotional about it and actually use your brain.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      it is simple:

      Don't download, view, or distribute Child Pornography.

      use your fucking brain.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      That is not relevant to anything I said.

      Downloading CP is illegal. So is raping children. One is far worse than the other. Conflating them is not only stupid, it is harmful.

      [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      CP is the rape of children. Conflating the distribution of child rape and child rape is not stupid nor harmful, indeed, it reduces harm by removing a market for the original rape videos.

      there's only one stupid person in this conversation, and its the gimp defending the distribution of child rape material