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[–]radfem 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'm sorry, I'm not actually old enough to have lived through the holocaust, although as a gay women I absolutely would have been subjected to rape and medical experimentation whether I was of the Jewish faith or not at the time. I feel like people often forget that part of the war, where gay people were left to rot in camps long after the end of WW2 and Jewish liberation because being gay was still seen as a subhuman crime.

Regardless, many of the people who did live through the nightmare have left pretty detailed written records behind (called books) so we fortunately don't need to rely of half remembered (and sometimes heavily edited revisionist) tales told to people who were never anywhere near the horror (but feel it's some sort of mark of character that they were related to someone who was).

The fantastic thing about books too is is that they give us many varied narratives and not just the limited experiences of one person being treated as the norm and the horrific stories of others being denied just because they are different from what people like to believe the only story was.

Pretty good system we have with written narratives (called books) don't you think.

I can personally recommend this women's autobiography:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisella_Perl

And this book about what happened to women after the fall of Berlin:

https://www.amazon.com/Woman-Berlin/dp/1844081117

[–]Retro-Housewife 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

I'm sorry, I'm not actually old enough to have lived through the holocaust, although as a gay women I absolutely would have been subjected to rape and medical experimentation

Absolutely fascinating. Tell me more please!

[–]radfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Are you honestly arguing that those of us alive today today cannot talk about events we're haven't directly lived through...

Cos if you are then pretty much every person whittling on about what Jesus would say about abortions needs to shut up because they never met the man.

Meanwhile since you too didn't live through ww2 you also need to shut up about what relatives told you.

Didn't think that argument through too well did you?

Meanwhile this woman actually performed those abortions I was talking about, heres her autobiography, or should the Jewish doctor living in the concentration camp also shut up because her life story doesn't support your bigoted narrative?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisella_Perl

[–]Retro-Housewife 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Are you honestly arguing that those of us alive today today cannot talk about events we're haven't directly lived through

But I've said no such thing. In fact, I've said quite the opposite and I really want to read all of what you have to share. Please continue, you have a wealth load of information that I very much value.

[–]radfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Alright get back to me once you've read her autobiography and we'll discuss it.

[–]Retro-Housewife 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Oh no... I would rather have you teach me everything that I need to know. Knowledge like yours must be shared.

[–]radfem 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Sure but that involves reading source materials and if you aren't willing too further education might not be for you

[–]Retro-Housewife 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Oh but I have a problem and that is english is my 2nd language. I speak Yiddish and big english books are very hard for me. Fortunately, you're so wise and well read that I can just get the information directly from you.

[–]radfem 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's alright her biography isn't anymore complex then these messages that you've been reading.

Good luck with it.

[–]Retro-Housewife 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh no... Does this mean you're not going to continue teaching us? Oh that is so sad and we're all going to be a little less intelligent without your guidance.