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[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree. I would really like to see far more focus on positivity and productivity. Primarily supporting each other and building.

Supportive, productive spaces.

Expanding on these ideas maybe a bit, though after having written all this it all seems pretty obvious. These are just ideas. But OP asked for discussion.


I am becoming more and more suspicious of anything where people are just encouraged to be angry or "blackpilled" all the time. (This doesn't just exist in "the right," btw). It seems more and more like a scam to look like you're going to help someone, or you're on their side, or something, but really all you want from them is a vote or a click. Or worse, you're trying to take the movement in a negative direction.

I don't think the situation is hopeless, far from it. It just takes organizing stuff and getting stuff done, and anyone can do that, especially with all the technology we have today to make it easier. If you don't see what's needed, you have to make it if you want it to exist. That's the way reality works. It's probably not going to work to try to divert someone else to do what you think is needed.

Here's what conservatives should do instead: [...]

What I think some sources should do (maybe there is a place for the current approach, but it shouldn't be everything):

  • Stop focusing on "those horrible extremists" at all. Simply do not mention them, do not talk about them. Doing bad things does not make someone worthy of attention, rather the opposite. Instead organize everything around whatever's going on in positive conservative activity. Not "rile-up" politics, just whatever people would want to know. Well-researched information about candidates up for election, maybe. Discussing the situation of ongoing initiatives and ways to help. News in tech development and business offerings that might be helpful. Infrastructure development news. Successful activities in conservative towns or areas.

I agree with this:

  • Publish things average conservatives can do every day to help, such as boycotts and buy-cotts.

I'd maybe add some more ideas, though this list got a little long:

  • moralizing stuff: Just moralizing stuff. Positive cultural stuff. Whatever will help people start the day off on a good foot, remembering it's important to respect themselves. Remembering that they come from something good, and are part of something good, and are going someplace good.
  • practical activities stuff: Maybe conservative interest stuff that will practically help people. Like some of the ideas for self-sufficiency that OP was also discussing. Maybe security and safety practices, like the offline version of the post about online security.
  • organizing how-tos: Maybe well-researched stuff about how to effectively organize with like-minded people in the current climate, keeping in mind the reality that there will be infiltrators and disruptors.
  • large-scale-project how-tos: Maybe well-researched stuff aimed at like... building bigger things than community organizations. Factories, large businesses, ... like... yes they take capital, but capital raising is just one part of things. If you're gonna have articles about how to set up a home garden, might as well have articles about how to set up a giant factory megacomplex with the latest tech to efficiently meet material needs. Someone has to lead it, may as well write about it. Maybe building large, effective internet communities/clubs/whatever would be a similar thing.
  • welcoming newcomers: Maybe articles welcoming people to "your side" who might be having reservations about some of the things going on. Stuff written for that sort of audience.
  • stuff for childraising: stuff for kiddsss! and babies! and family-building! This is a HUGELY underserved thing! SOOOO MANY PEOPLE are struggling with this ... with meeting people, with knowing how to set things up in a good way and culturally appropriate way for them, with arranging dating for family-building. Maybe with knowing how to prepare for babies and stuff. It's not "women's interest" stuff, it's THE most important thing bar none. Educational material for kids! Especially good, positive stories about their own history and culture. Stuff that helps them feel proud and good about who they are and where they come from. People are starved for this. So many parents seem so busy that they will plunk kids in front of a TV or something ... not that that's a good idea... but it seems parenting is difficult. Resources to help would make it soo much easier I think, and have a huge impact. While we're at it, the entire thing should be kid-friendly, especially for the age group that's starting to be curious about the wide adult world out there.

[–]Aureus[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent list, thank you for posting this. Another thing that could help is personal anecdotes from people who've succeeded. For example, if someone successfully ran for local office, they could share their story and provide other conservatives with information and inspiration to do the same.

[–]dazedandsubdued 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

as a person on the left, but not a fucking raging lunatic, i wholeheartedly agree. a lot of people on the left are absolutely not okay with militant "woke" ideology and demands, but are indeed terrified of being "cancelled." the left-wing media's narrative of "you only get cancelled if you deserve it," reinforces ours fears and keeps us from speaking up. ... this seems to be contributing to further division and misunderstanding between the right and the left, growing resentment, and some really stupid/bad ideas going largely unchallenged.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you’re right. What would be more effective are examples of the Right pushing back successfully against censorship, such as the Goya sellout following the Twitter boycott attempt.

That is a more effective rallying cry showing that pushback CAN work, and which forms have been effective as models.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

the MSM has biases in how they say things but they're not lying on this, radical left is winning

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it's not. We have a corporation for a government, socialism would want the opposite. Bascally, we have a corportocracy and the in control rightist Zionists are scaring people more and more into their arms. It's by design. The people in power today and the same people who did 9/11.

[–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't deny reality, but also don't become demoralized. See my great (if nerdy) post about this here: https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/3iay/dont_be_denethor/

[–]spinell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For now. Resistance is brewing.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess. I used to see that conservatives had most power cuz of the rich funding them like the kochs. I see rich funding liberals lately but only for this divide and conquer identity politics. I think the rich conservatives like that too. Anything besides economics. Really none of this happens without rich support. Radical left is out looting and taking over cities but they only get away with it because the rich fund the hate and have cops stand down

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The real takeaway is that conservatism fails. It's time for a revolutionary-traditionalist approach.

[–]Earl_Harbinger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Can you elaborate?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The lesson of "the radical left keeps winning" is that radicalism works. A committed minority is always able to defeat a disorganized majority. What we need is a revolutionary vanguard, a cadre of right-wing radicals to lead us into a brighter future.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Moreso, current politics illustrates a major shortfall of modern capitalism- it is designed for short term gains and does not account for long-term ramifications of quarterly profits. Capitalism has caused the functional majority to become atomized and to prioritize their bank accounts over their community/people/country/world. We have gutted culture, demographics, the environment, and tradition all in the name of more money.

Hell, we haven't even attained greater material wealth or scientific progress to reflect our wealth/GDP- our bigger bank accounts are propped by foreign child labor and poisonous product like corn syrup and consumer garbage.

We have essentially abandoned what makes us human.

[–]Lahontan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you're saying that conservativism needs to refocus on cultural and environmental health rather than the political/economic ideologies? I think the disconnect is that conservative donors are corporate lobbyists who require their bought politicians to facilitate easier and higher profits, whereas the leftist lobbyists are backed by groups regular people identify with (culturally) - lgbt, black, pro-choice. Leftist people connect with leftist politics more seamlessly than conservative people with conservative politics.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a very insightful comment. I'd agree 100%. Conservatism needs to actually "conserve" what is good from the past.

[–]Earl_Harbinger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Some right wing sources have both, but certainly there's too much focus on the negative. A balance is best.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

bad news sells. Even the good news recently of a little boy who saved his sister's life against a dog is still negative for the poor kid who needed 90 stitches. I can't think of any good news recently.

[–]at_finn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep...A plane landing safely is not news. But a fiery plane crash is.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I think the media actively tries to cause bad news to happen in order to increase their sagging ratings. They fan the flames of racism. I don't think BLM protests would have spread nationally without national media. One guy got killed in Minnesota, that should just be a local news story in Minnesota. But they reported it everywhere and then and only then did protests spread everywhere. A protest and looting occurred right in my town that is thousands of miles away from Minnesota, all of a sudden that is a news story that effects me so I did look into the MSM reporting on it, wanting to know why it happened and how to avoid it. Well they did get a little ratings boost from me and I sat thru some ads. On a much higher level than just me it gained millions of viewers that otherwise would have kept tuning out from the MSM.

[–]wahala 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is most demoralizing about the news for someone like me is their fanatical adherence to a left/right, conservative/liberal ideology, leaving no room for the middle/silent majority. Most of us aren't on one end of any political spectrum, but the news only addresses those that are. But it's all really just about the ad space/sales.

[–]Riva 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

another layer on the demoralization scale.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And actual liberals. The Us was founded on liberalism. These so called liberals everyone's talking about are no such thing.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I would like to see more local conservative groups. It is very hard to network with other conservatives, especially in liberal big cities. I'm sure Google sees to it too.

Rather than simply convince people that they won't be attacked for thier political views we need to organize resources to defend conservatives. Like the ACLU, except for good people.

[–]Aureus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would like to see more local conservative groups. It is very hard to network with other conservatives, especially in liberal big cities.

I strongly recommend looking up conservative groups in your area. There probably are some. You can also check on Meetup.com

I totally agree btw, and I'm trying to help other conservatives do this. We need to build up our culture if we're going to stand a chance.

[–]Sw0rdofDam0cles 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There's no such thing as "conservatives." Just nationalists and globalists.

[–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mean traditional nation-states (who practice what they preach) vs open-boarders Communists (who think invading a successful nation is okay but escaping a socialist shithole is heresy)

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that's how they make money.

Demoralisation is part of their business structure.

They used to say at the Daily Mail the perfect story was one which left people feeling angry about something, it didn't matter what. It didn't matter whether the article was left wing or right wing.

Now most free papers have this strategy because they get as much money from hate clicks as their loyal readers. The Guardian now publishes articles about how having a barbecue is racist, not because they or their readers agree but because it will attract thousands of people to argue against the article in the comments.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Aren't boycotts the same as cancel culture?

[–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. I think there's differences - boycotts are groups of individuals refusing to buy from corporations, whereas cancel culture often targets regular people, any may even be instigated by powerful institutions. Boycotts are far more morally acceptable than cancel culture IMO.

  2. Even if boycotts and cancel culture are identical, I don't see any further point in denying that cancel culture works. People have been saying that cancel culture is bad for years now, and that hasn't stopped the cancellers one bit. Refusing to participate in it due to a false sense of moral superiority is foolish.

[–]zyxzevn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Watching Dollar Vigilante helped me.
It promotes basic Anarchy (no government) as a solution for everything.
Sees the government (and its slaves) as lying cheats, and that is what they are.

Scott Adams is always optimistic.
His approach takes you out of "loser think".
About the crisis: "Is anyone in your environment having health problems?"

For CoronaVirus stuff, The Highwire is fairly optimistic.
Like: Based on the science data, there is no real epidemic.

[–]Tortoise 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And left wingers. Liberal media is a thing, leftist media is rarer.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I prefer Newsmax over cable news and any MSM.