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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Those graphs are fascinating.

which line right up with the beginning of "wokeness"

Interesting. What do you make of them occurring at the same time?

[–]MarquisBoniface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Interesting. What do you make of them occurring at the same time?

So this is a really long conversation because it goes into both the subject of the historical "flat earth" meme, and modern disinformation nonsense.

An issue is that the "flat earth" meme wasn't real in the first place, it was an insult used during Christian polemics to insult the Catholic church by promoting a strawman attack of the middle-ages beliefs:

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/inventing-flat-earth

Inventing the Flat Earth

Columbus braved superstition and ignorance by sailing across the Atlantic when his contemporaries thought he would fall off the edge. So runs the legend, but Jeffrey Russell reveals here how the Middle Ages were maligned by the creative fiction of subsequent generations.

So I'd say that a small amount of guillable people who believe certain conspiracies get sheep-dogged into taking such things seriously in the same way some people get coaxed into "terrorism" or cults by handlers occuring at the same time as "Woke" trends makes perfect sense. Both are unnatural, inorganic trends pushed by organized groups for their own purposes, yet have similar purposes in inciting intra-society divisions and mistrust in other civilians.

"Woke" nonsense functions as a distraction from anti-government criticism by pushing content that is known to be divisive. Equivalent bullshit is pushed in other states all the time, accusing a majority group of oppressing a minority and inciting the minority to become radicalized in percieved self defense (Uyghurs in China, Hazara in Afghanistan, Hmong in Vietnam). "Woke" 2 decades ago used to mean someone who was a conspiracy theorist, with being "awake" meaning "redpilled" or similar terms, it only became a "muh social justice" thing within the past few years. So the "Woke" trend gets appropriated/comandeered at the same time that the remnants of anti-establishment critiques get targeted with retarded shills pushing flat Earth nonsense.

Like Cass Sunstein would want such groups to be associated with "9/11 truthers":

http://archive.ph/4QnVj

Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama's closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs." In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-"independent" advocates to "cognitively infiltrate" online groups and websites -- as well as other activist groups -- which advocate views that Sunstein deems "false conspiracy theories" about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens' faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper's abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Outside of discrediting a target via subversion (cointerintel) and influencing the public opinion that way (see older Wikipedia pages on public opinion influence and the CIA), such astroturfed stunts seem to be commonly used today for galvanizing a response like a tech crackdown, or a rapid public opinion shift, based on the pretext of "your fellow citizens are so dumb they are being brainwashed/manipulated by __, and actually believe __"

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CIA_influence_on_public_opinion&oldid=201209552#

Think of how the public opinion would have shifted if the CIA executed it's false flag with those Cuban migrants and blamed it on Castro.

That's what groups like the Daily Beast do with these fake Antivax ads, the intent is to galvanize support for censorship crackdowns:

http://archive.li/2OoxK

Google and Twitter Approved Our BS Anti-Vaxx Ads

Google and Twitter allowed ads saying “Don’t get vaccinated” and “Vaccines aren’t safe.”

Blake Montgomery

Updated 11.08.19

That's essentially what is done with "Russian bots" and voters, to freak them out and manipulate them into hysteria:

How New York Times’ Scott Shane covered for architects of a shocking “false flag” election campaign in Alabama

The NY Times national security reporter held news of a massive voter manipulation campaign while pumping up the political operatives behind it as ace Russian disinformation detectives. By Dan Cohen

Once you understand the patterns, you'll see why these "Chinese bots" are likely astroturfed/fake (ie not paid by the CCP in China, but rather paid by our own intelligence agencies)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyzv9x/china-used-twitter-porn-bots-to-spread-disinformation-about-the-hong-kong-protests

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is fascinating, and a lot to wrap one's head around. I feel this deserves it's own post... maybe consider crossposting this comment to s/conspiracy or /s/psyops or something.

So your overall take is that both the flat-earth stuff and the "woke" stuff is a psy-op to distract from something or shift opinion to achieve a particular objective? What was the aim of releasing this psy-op stuff at that specific time?

"Woke" nonsense functions as a distraction from anti-government criticism by pushing content that is known to be divisive.

specific point: why do the "POC" "BIPOC" "BAME" etc anti-white group thing then? Why not pit those groups against each other too as part of the divisiveness strategy?

[–]MarquisBoniface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Inciting divisions requires creating and maintaining a fanatical siege mentality, which then cascades into more and more unproductive conflict

For a group text feel under siege there needs to be a large potential power differential

Let's use minority ethnic groups of Black Americans and Hispanic Americans as an example

Let's assume that within a state, one of them is more under attack (murders, etc) by the other than with Whites

The problem is Whites still have a large percieved power differential based on population size, so that unrest between the two communities can be redirected to some vague general anti White politics cal sentiment

On a different note I'll cite afghanistan, Pashtun/Taliban power, and minorities like Hazara

So the Taliban are actually more anti ISIS than the Afghan coalition government

Yet when ISIS goes into coalition territory and horrifically slaughters a minority group, that sentiment can be redirected against the Taliban

http://archive.ph/pxj8D

With Kabul wedding attack, Isis aims to erode Taliban supremacy This article is more than 3 months old

As the US and Taliban negotiate peace, Isis sees a chance to sow fresh chaos in Afghanistan

Even by the bloody standards of Afghanistan, it was a brutal attack: a suicide bomber at a wedding celebration, detonating his device as children danced and the happy couple completed their marriage rituals. In an instant more than 60 of the 1,000 guests were dead, hundreds injured.

Few events are so joyous and optimistic as a wedding. So why would a terrorist group – even one as brutal as Islamic State, which has claimed responsibility – want to attack one?

...The victims of Sunday’s attack were from Afghanistan’s marginalised Hazara minority and Shia. The aim was slightly different though. A civil war is already under way, and there is no need to provoke a fresh one. Instead, the attack on the wedding underlined the inability of the Afghan government to protect its own citizens, prompting fear and anger and helping to ensure that any efforts to stabilise the country come to nothing. We can expect more attacks, as savage and shocking, if peace talks advance any further.

That anger redirection is exactly what happened in Afghanistan

A horrific May 12 attack on a maternity ward in a Kabul hospital had exposed a growing disconnect in US-Afghanistan relations.

For Afghans, the attack was the last straw following a surge in militant violence in previous weeks, with much of their anger directed at the Taliban. National Security Adviser Hamdullah Mohib tweeted that if the Taliban "cannot control the violence … there seems little point in continuing to engage Taliban in 'peace talks'." President Ashraf Ghani announced Afghan forces were shifting from a defensive to an offensive position against the Taliban. And Kabul suggested the Taliban was complicit in the attack.

Despite isis seeing the Taliban, rather than coalition government, as their primary obstacle to power in the remote regions

The Taliban reportedly just beat ISIS so badly that more than 200 fighters surrendered to the Afghan government Daniel Brown and Reuters Aug 1, 2018, 11:22 AM

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. So... do you know a successful defense against these strategies?

[–]MarquisBoniface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have a variety of counter-strategies, one of them of course is teaching others how it works in a useful way, merely understanding the basics of what people do and why they do it helps to an astronomical degree so that people no longer feel they are "Crazy" when they get attacked/mocked

Another is what I'd call "lucid induction", a take influenced somewhat by Descartes dream theories in philosophy, combined with some lessons with modern lucid dreaming research, as well as some lessons I've learned myself

https://old.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/gdj823/some_thoughts_on_disinformation_hunter_groups/

...I like to think of "Lucid dreaming" as an analogy to post-Psy-ops thought.

In order to build awareness for lucidity within a dream, people learn how to test their environment for congruence. Disinfo and psyops pushes are like a very poorly designed, un-creative, boring excuse for a "dream". Except this "dream" is designed to indoctrinate people into believing smears on a target.

Understanding how it works is essential to collapsing it.

The information warfare/dreams connection is coincidentally enough also made in the plot of Inception, though I arrived at my own analogy in a divergent manner and noticed this after the fact. But this "dream collapsing" scene is pretty cool.

Another, though this isn't for everyone, is engaging in online fights with some obvious shills and deconstructing their bullshit for lurkers, so lurkers can see how to do it, and undestand how to recognize it