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[–]yellow_algebra_31 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I'm a bit confused about whose decision this was. It looks like it is the advertising agency, Goodby Silverstein, that made this decision. This is an ad agency used by the named companies, but it's unclear if they were involved in making this decision at all.

“We are taking this action to protest the platform’s irresponsible propagation of hate speech, racism, and misleading voter information. We encourage clients and our own people to join us.”

It sounds like if we want to boycott something, it should be this ad agency, and we perhaps we should promote more ethical ad agencies that companies could use.

[–]Tychicus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good catch. Also it only states they want President Trump's posts censored in the title of the article but nowhere else. I've never seen any supporting articles elsewhere. They only mention that they want to ban hate posts.

[–]jamesK_3rd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeh if any company hasn't renounced it yet you better believe they at the very least tacitly support it.

My guess by looking at that list is most of them wouldn't care if conservatives or really anyone not hoisting up a BLM flag or not chanting about "we're all in this together" were sent to the gulags.

Ironic for ones such as Pepsi And Doritos considering most of these companies likely believe conservatives, libertarians and Republicans are just uneducated toothless obese hicks living in a backwoods trailer somewhere prepping with their guns and bibles while sipping on Pepsi and munching on Doritos while watching NASCAR.

Honestly, a boycott by anyone center right, right, or heck even center is really needed. I don't think companies should be pandering to anyone. It's fine to let your employees do whatever they want, but companies should want to sell their products to whoever.

I think Companies can make decisions such as the above because they're so excessively wealthy and it is also largely fueled by gross excessive pay for CEOs and other white collar individuals and shareholders. Passing off cheaply produced goods and/or services from China or Vietnam as high priced items, paying CEO's and others exorbitant salaries, even upon their firing or resignation, and artificially low wages for their employees leads to such malfeasance that allows the boards and executives to pander to whatever garbage group comes along to "strong arm" them, like antifa, BLM, media matters, SPLC, etc.

Before anyone thinks I'm in their camp, think again.. What's enshrined and solidified the above is the fact that the government directly and indirectly picks winners and losers through bailouts, grants, loans, ordinances, special tax breaks or special payment credits (like carbon credits), or the administrative state; e.g. administrative state approvals and/or regulations from a multitude of acronymed agencies that essentially render all big business and any incumbent business untouchable by newcomers to market.

That's just a start, but the administrative state goes pretty deep, and it is across the aisle, so it really depends on if you prefer your politicians beholden to wells fargo or BoA. It really is a Marxist and Democrat wet dream, all under the guise of capitalism.. Crony capitalism brought to you by a Republican party that wants cheap labor and a Democrat party who are true believers and want fundamental and cultural change and they get to beat the drum of how capitalism is terrible and the system is destroying people of color and plain white trash while Marxists such as AOC get bankrolled on public dimes and have lavish digs in DC and NYC.

Whew, That's a mouthful. In an ideal world anyone who cares about freedom would boycott any company guilty of this nonsense. In fact, i think that's one of the few ways we can stave off a real balkanization break up of the US within the next 50 years or so.

But let's be honest, most of us don't care enough to be bothered to do any of that. The greatest change is always done by a few but dedicated true believers. In fact it was the few who fought a revolution when everyone else said, nah fuck it I'm good with the Crown. We see that same fervor today, they're smoking statues of Lee, Washington, Grant, Jefferson and Jesus. They're occupying and holding 9 blocks of a city, they've created their own country. They hold vigils and have their faithful recite mantras. They make your kids sit on the laps of those you don't want them to at the public library all while you complain about it being unfair or rationalize it as the new norm.

Ultimately, they'll get away with everything they will. The true believers might not win yet, but I'm satisfied that we'll still be discussing the practices of ethical ad agencies and they'll be discussing how to progress the revolution that's begun...

[–]Aureus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ideally I'd like to contact these companies and let them know I'll be boycotting them until they change their ad agency (or get their ad agency to reinstate the Facebook ads). Would you be in?

[–]yellow_algebra_31 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Idk if I'm "in" or not, but that does sound more effective than just quietly not buying their stuff.

Though I don't like facebook anyway, and I don't like ads anyway, so it gets a little complicated.

Maybe sending an email (anonymously if it seems more prudent safety-wise), or calling with a script (this would not be anonymous), and posting the email template/script wherever one posts stuff online with an appropriate hashtag.

Really committing to a boycott especially long-term can be difficult for some. I have a lot of different reasons I do or don't want to trade with people, and I'm not sure I could keep it up if they decided not to change. It certainly makes me want to trade less with these companies though, and I could say that with honesty even if I couldn't say with honesty that I'm 100% committed to never trading with them in any circumstance unless they change ad agencies.

I've bought stuff from HP and I've used Adobe's software so that would be a change for me. What does Adobe make? Anything other than the PDF stuff? Here's an article about viewing and working with PDFs using open source software. Ah, and photoshop/illustrator too I see -- yeah I use GIMP or Inkscape when I need to do stuff like that.

[–]Aureus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really committing to a boycott especially long-term can be difficult for some.

I don't think a boycott needs to be 100%. Honestly, the appearance of a boycott may be more important than the actual boycott. The goal is to get the company to change their ways, or dissuade other companies from doing the same thing.

I agree about Facebook. Maybe a better way would be to not mention Facebook, but criticize them for suppressing speech. After all, the ad pull from Facebook was driven by the desire to suppress speech.

Thanks for the open-source PDF link btw!

[–]soundsalad 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]suckitreddit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, fuck all these companies. I don't need their shit. Maybe Adobe software, but there's always piracy! So, fuck 'em!

[–]Aureus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm thinking about sending e-mails to these companies letting them know I'll be boycotting until they reinstate the ads. Would you be in as well?

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

regarding Adobe, I'm still using CS 4 from a decade ago... I'm sure there are some new additions to InDesign that I would like, but not enough to spend $50 a month. Frankly, its Paypal that annoys me the most. It won't be as straight forward to work around using them.

[–]SteveTafe 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

'Silverstein "

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    [–]Aureus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Soda is bad for you anyway. But if you really need it, there are a host of smaller brands out there that aren't Pepsi or Coke. Good on you for being part of the boycott!

    [–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    They should stop selling to the 1/2 of America that voted for him. I bet the share holders would do nothing but praise them! Also, I like the part about how the facebook shareholders don't seem to care as FB's stock was still up 1%.

    [–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just curious, would you be interested in boycotting these companies?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I do use Adobe and paypal here. That being said I don't use facebook so I don't mind if they boycott it.

    [–]Gunk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thanks Jews.