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[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's simple Otherizing. It's easy if you understand it.

The right's outgroup is people who aren't westerners, and its ingroup is westerners. The left's ingroups are the right's outgroups, and the left's outgroup is the right.

Once you get this, it makes sense. Tolerance and understanding to the ingroup, while the outgroup can do no right. No cognitive dissonance. It's a double standard that they're completely comfortable with.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Blanket nonsense, again.

Both the left and the right are in the West, and by your logic, that means the right considers the left part of it's ingroup because they are also Westerners. And the left must be self loathing (which I might actually find funny regarding the Corporate SJW Dem Left™) because they are also Westerners.

Meanwhile the real authentic oldskool left is trying to fight the ruling class establishment for everyone to get social systems that care for everyone - like decent healthcare, education, affordable medicine, etc. Unfortunately the ruling class had their deep state infiltrate all the corporations, media, education, and political systems to overthrow them and install the insane tribalist Corporate SJW Dem Left™ pretending to be the legit left and fooling millions on both sides.

Playing their tribalist games makes you as much a fool as them. And they are not the only ones with double standards.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

the right considers the left part of it's ingroup because they are also Westerners.

Yup.

And the left must be self loathing

The left's outgroup is the right. Not itself. Maybe a Venn diagram would help.

Meanwhile the real authentic oldskool left is trying to fight the ruling class establishment for everyone to get social systems that care for everyone - like decent healthcare, education, affordable medicine, etc.

Sure, whatever you say man. These people don't exist. I've never been able to find any. Leftists are hostile and nasty, especially to anyone they can identify as working class.

Playing their tribalist games makes you as much a fool as them.

Hey, I didn't want to play these games. I'm on Team USA. But unfortunately when you're in a war the first step to fighting back is realizing you're in a war. We were getting our asses kicked until we started resisting.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

" Sure, whatever you say man. These people don't exist. I've never been able to find any. Leftists are hostile and nasty, especially to anyone they can identify as working class. "

You are sooooooo full of shit.

I keep pointing out the oldskool left to you but you keep ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist for your petty immature triabalist bullshit.

Yes, the Corporate SJW Dem Left™ and their "progressive" posers are evil fuckers that are hostile and nasty, especially to anyone they can identify as working class. The oldskool left and authentic progressive left are the OPPOSITE and you'd gain some allies if you got your head out of your ass. Stop paying attention to only the corporate propaganda media spewing nothing but poison social viruses that infect the minds of all you gullible chuckleheads.

Classic "old-left" authentic progressive figures include:
Cornell West, Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff, Dennis Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney, Jimmy Dore, Graham Elwood, Ron Placone, Abby Martin, Krystal Ball, Holly Seeliger, Debbie Lusignan, Michael Parenti, John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Naomi Wolf, Yanis Varoufakis, Slavoj Žižek, Owen Jones, Thom Hartmann, Lee Camp, Matt Taibbi, Jill Stein, Howie Hawkins, Helen Caldicott, Derrick Jensen, Caleb Maupin, Mark Blyth, Laura Flanders, Cindy Sheehan

Voluntarists or nonpartisans who seem to share many "old-left" values include:
James Corbett, ReallyGraceful, Truthstream Media, Ben Swann, Derrick Broze, Ryan Cristian, James Evan Pilato, Richard Grove, Jason Bermas, Luke Rudkowski, Jeremy Rothe-Kushel, Greg McCarron, Sam Tripoli, Chuck Ochelli, Ed Opperman, William Ramsey, Pearse Redmond, Tom Secker, Vin Armani, Max Igan, Freeman Fly, Mark Passio, Larken Rose, Rick Falkvinge, Cory Doctorow, HighImpactFlix, Ole Dammegård

And these are only the ones that come to mind.

Sure some reject the Corporate SJW Dem Left™ more than others, some lean further left than others, and some have flaws and blind spots like anyone, but so does everyone, including the everyone on the right.

If you deny that the old-left exists anymore I'll call you out as a monstrous liar shill every time I catch you.

Being on "Team USA" is more than half the problem. Your tribe is corrupt as fuck due to your "leaders" and you need to understand your Team USA is a bitch to Team Israel, the Freemasons, and the globalist ruling class. Further, the leaders of your "team" don't give a flying fuck about you or the other minions and everyone identified as working class. (ie. The enormous layoffs and unemployment without any compassion, support, nor solutions other than to "bail out" the already wealthy.) I haven't even begun to address the permanent shadow government, the deep state, their covert ops and the oppression they inflict on every nation globally, using your tax dollars - so there's that profoundly Empirical problem with "Team USA" too.

" But unfortunately when you're in a war the first step to fighting back is realizing you're in a war. We were getting our asses kicked until we started resisting. "

Agreed. FYI, the war didn't start in 2020. Global War Of Terror started with 9/11 and has been a slow roll from 1 to 2 to 8 or 9 nations - but the war didn't start then either. It didn't start with Vietnam, JFK, WWII or WWI either...

The CLASS WAR started long before humans stood upright, but now with our big brains we can either bring fairness to our "civil"ization or we we can keep fooling ourselves and each other buying into the tribalism, propaganda, and manipulative exploitative debt slave state. This is the only major war that matters - the war between the ruling class' systems and everyone else. Dial that back a lot and then we can start talking about the different ways to approach properly managing things ourselves. Until you take down the corrupt elites everything else is putting the cart before the horse while they zip buy in their Ferraris.

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Chipit, sorry my dude but Jason is right. At least, I fully agree with him on this and I think you would do well to add subtlety to your reasonings on socioeconomic and political issues.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cornell West is a race traitor who called Obama a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface”. Jimmy Dore is routinely villified as a right-wing tool because he betrays the maxim "no enemies to the left, no friends to the right". Slavoj Žižek had the debate with the nazi Jordan Peterson and didn't destroy him like he promised. Jill Stein cost Hillary the election. Matt Taibbi...wasn't he the Jew-hater? He definitely hated the Tea Party for having the guts to succeed where Occupy Wall Street failed. Cindy Sheehan?? The same Cindy Sheehan who demanded that the US military not only pull out of Iraq but out of New Orleans as well, calling it "occupied New Orleans?" That batshit crazy lady?

That's all the names I know out of your list. The rest...like I said, they do a good job staying hidden. Hillary should have put them in charge of her emails.

Agreed. FYI, the war didn't start in 2020. Global War Of Terror started

I meant the culture war. The one that seeks to demonize every American to the right of Mao Zedong and drive them from the public square. You know how I know so much about Hitler's positions? I got called a nazi so many times that I had the thought - wait a minute, am I one? It occurred to me that I didn't actually know the tenets of national socialism. Hey, maybe they're right and how would I know? So I looked them up. Turns out, I'm not on board with them at all. Hoo-boy. Gun confiscation, nationalization of private property, the idea that every citizen is just a part of the state, no free speech, collectivism...no way Jose. I found that fascism grew directly out of socialism, which is why it has the positions it does. Citation: http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

This is because the Western Right's outgroup is people who aren't Westerners. BUT the Western Left's outgroup is the Right. This is the best explanation I've ever heard at this link. A bit long but worth reading every word because it answers SO many questions. http://archive.is/QRJ6m

Being on "Team USA" is more than half the problem.

That means the American people, as detailed in the explanation linked above.

Your tribe is corrupt as fuck

I fuckin' hate globalists, and they hate my tribe. If they had their way they'd drown us in immigrants and laugh.

Well, you've made a good case for your side. I feel like Treebeard from The Two Towers when he says, "we have agreed that you are not orcs." But I still have a sneaking suspicion that as soon as I listen to one of your speakers I'm going to watch them call my people nazis in the first five minutes.

...Aaaand I just searched for the first name on your list, Cornell West, and here he is calling Trump a "neo-fascist gangster in the White House." I mean, come on. Another person who doesn't know what he's talking about. Not a good start.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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American leftists are xenophiles brainwashed by kgb anchor babies