Is the left / right spectrum actually a circle, just viewed from the side ?

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The current "left/right spectrum"? Maybe, because It is bullshit.

But in my opinion, the REAL spectrum is: Authoritarian/pro-government -> Pro-freedom/anti-government

Of course, I can't identify myself as right-wing because the term has already been hijacked

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    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Well to be fair, "anti/pro-government" is a bit of a strawman, what I meant was: I'm against coercion/preventing people from making their own choices.

    I don't mind people uniting together creating a town on their land and trying to agree on rules on it (regardless of how stupid they are).

    The main problem currently is that some people called the "government" decided to create rules on my land and on other people land. It'd be great If they could only mind their business...

    There is little reason, in my opinion for using coercion when you can live without it.

    In my opinion, freedom is the only important and relevant political question right now. All the other issues are either less important (religion etc) or DIRECTLY related to freedom (laws against X etc)

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    I believe there are 3 Spectrums. The Economic Spectrum, the Cultural Spectrum, and the Civil Spectrum.

    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Great insight!!! I'd never considered that before! Seems obvious now. Saved.

    At best I've been considering it a 3.5 dimensional spectrum with multiple "axes":

    1) top-bottom: totalitarian vs total freedom (voluntarism, aka an-archy = no-rulers)

    2) front-back: facts/truth vs lies/deception, from hard to soft to hard again a LOT of grey area between

    3) horizontal: self vs tribe vs global

    I've avoided using the "left" and "right" labels - because it's also binary and doesn't consider the third (though this is still simplistic).

    The third is tricky because like Venn diagrams our social circles may overlap and change priorities. A family is social and even within the family you make have priorities. Then of course there are wider and wider social circles into nations or greater.

    It's folly to say that only the "left" is concerned about social issues and that the "right" is selfish. They both have much to offer and would do better to work it out together - away from centralized power.

    Further, people should have different ideas on the different issues, and if all these issues were mapped out within this 3D sphere you might find an interesting pattern in someone's cloud of points to help describe their general but not absolute political nature.

    All of the extreme points are abstract forms and singularities with zero dimensions where it touches on the political sphere without corners (not a political square, diamond, or cube).

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      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Two spheres - one as I described and/or another with the economic-cultural-civil axes. To visualize a person's political cloud properly in the 3D sphere would require one of three options I can think of: 1) a 2D animation of the sphere slowly rotating to create a sense of depth and space to visualize their point cloud, 2) some kind of 3D rendering with 3D glasses, or 3) inconveniently and/or not easily read by normie non-3D people: orthographic blueprint-like dual or triple images from the X, Y, and/or Z axis. All 3 options would work better with colour coded points.

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        [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I very familiar in several 3D programs but have yet to dive into Blender. Might be relevant for 3D, should you need it, though there may be simpler options.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Check this out, and no I don't generally endorse this site

        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

        [–]useless_aether 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        i picture it as the flag of turkey (rotated 90 degrees). the majority moderates are in the middle, the extremist left / right are the minority in the 'horns' and the star represents pure satanism - the elites.

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          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Well I had to mention it, with how similar the shapes are.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I've never heard of it tbh, but it does make sense to a degree, especially when depicted like that.

          I mean, look at Reddit and Voat. Yes, their ideologies are 'different', but is their behavior really that different? lol.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          this is true just that anytime there is a far left govt it gets bribed by rwer rich guys into selling out

          [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I didn't read it all, but man I miss those kinds of long deep and well organized articles on the overly simplistic Wikipedia.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          The left-right paradigm is just a model for explaining political and social phenomenon. You can look at it a variety of different ways. Personally, if you want to reduce it down to some kind of spectrum, it is much useful to have "statism" or authoritarian collectivism on one end and "anarchy" or absolutist individualism on the other. Practically, most governments lie in the middle somewhere and the left-right paradigm in North America and Europe always deflects to a larger, more omnipotent state.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          it's just good vs evil