WHEN NOT VOTING IS BETTER THAN VOTING | The lesser of two evils is still evil

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with this video. It's why I still haven't registered to vote.

I have no faith in this system. I believe it is rigged. So why would I participate in it? I believe the whole thing is broken and corrupt, how can you fix a broken system, by using an extension of that broken system (that's also broken)? It just doesn't make sense to me. And if you really think about it, it only makes sense that anyone who reaches the level of "mainstream candidate" has been vetted for the potential outcome of POTUS. That means they pre-selected a few potential "leaders" for you to vote for, to give you the illusion of control and involvement in their system. I mean, if you look into all of their pasts, they say one thing, but have done another. I thought actions spoke louder than words?

No, ever since I was born it's been corruption and lies (Clinton, Bush, Obama and now Trump). You guys need to prove yourselves to me, that you're worth my time and vote, I don't need to vote.

[–]whereswhat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your comment gives me a sliver of hope for humanity.

Assuming the goal of an election is to enact the will of the people, it is a mathematical fact that the United States' voting system is inferior to other systems such as ranked choice. All this "get out and vote" social pressure is either rooted in ignorance or is textbook propaganda, imo.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Vote 3rd party always.

Bernie was quasi 3rd party last round. He probably hasn't changed politically at his age, but the Democratic machine is around him.

It's like he's a pilot in one of those giant robots from Pacific Rim.
The Democrats are the robot, and his helmet connection is kind buggy.
It may even kill him... :-/

He needs a Russian Co-pilot...

/s

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If Bernie ends up being the nominee he and Trump should greet each other in Russian at the beginning of the first debate to give the middle finger to the mockingbird media.

[–]danuker 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Not voting ensures passionate people get their way unchallenged - which leads to extremism and/or totalitarianism.

If you vote in a "pointless" fashion, say, with a third-party, then people notice, because they can't just show two blobs on the screen - there are options.

Absentees aren't shown on any chart I've seen. There's just turnout rate.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you vote in a "pointless" fashion, say, with a third-party, then people notice,

3rd party voting is far from pointless.

The Progressive movement politicians never won major elections, however their ideas were so popular that the Republicans and Democrats adopted their policies, which largely shaped politics of the early 20th century.
Note: the linked wiki article (and others in the search) is a white washed revisionist version.

Similarly, Eugene Debbs was nominated for the Socialist Presidential candidate while he was imprisoned for raising mild questions about US involvement in WW1.

He received 1 million votes during the election.

3rd parties often shape history, but have been mostly written out of it.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As if the government cares how low the voting rate is. If only 2% of people vote, they won't abolish the government or change their ways. They will be happy that it's easier for them now to inject the candidate that they want. In other words: You might as well vote for the candidate you think will cause the least harm to people. Voting is not an endorsement of the political system, because there is no way to denounce the system in the context of a vote.

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So how does the cycle ever break then?

If only 2% vote, my bet is that a sizeable fraction of the remaining 98% are pretty pissed off about how things are going in this country. You want a revolution? It starts with dissent.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, before change can take place in the world, it has to take place in people's minds. But we just aren't there yet. And change certainly won't happen if we import people who reliably vote left (i.e. big government) faster than we can change people's minds here. That alone is a reason to go vote republican. Idealism does not change the world, unfortunately. There is a time and place to denounce the system though - pretty much any other day.