Socialism a proven a failure

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (10 children)

There's plenty of Socialism in the US and Americans actually love it. Unfortunately, they don't recognize it when they see it.

Some examples of socialism in the US:

  • Public highways and roads
  • Medicare
  • water treatment
  • Electricity
  • Natural gas
  • Sewers and
  • Social Security
  • Fire departments
  • Police departments
  • Public Education
  • National parks, state parks, etc.
  • And many others

Many of these could be improved, however overall they are very successful programs.

Socialist programs are routinely sabotaged by private interests who prioritize personal profits ahead of the society. The US post office is a great example of a socialist program that was sabotaged.

At one time the post office provided banking services. Small loans, check cashing, checking accounts, savings accounts, etc. It operated at just above the cost to operate, and made a small profit which was reinvested to improve services.

The scandalous attack against the post office is an on-going. Congress Is Sabotaging Your Post Office

The state of North Dakota has public banking and it is an exceptionally successful program.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_Dakota

[–]steaknpotatoes 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Social programs =/= Socialism....quit lying to the ignorant

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Socialism encompassed a broad spectrum of ideas. It's ignorant to dismiss the entire philosophical concept.

The basic concept was predicated on an informed public, and bottom-up democracy.

I'm in favor of positive ideas.

More North Dakota style public banking to dismantle the banking cartels.

Less Stalin and Mao. Their fraudulent style of fake "socialism" was in practice a military coup.

Support bottom up democracy.

Oppose coups.

[–]steaknpotatoes 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Social programs are one thing but socialism is a whole 'nother monster that is about eliminating private ownership of property and choice, a centralization of power and property. Please do not try to conflate regulated capitalism and social programs with outright socialism because we can get into that and it's not gonna be pretty. We can tell the tales of North Korea and Cuba and Cambodia and the USSR and East Germany and all the other atrocities that socialists induced.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you actually believe it's an either/or scenario?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

More North Dakota style public banking to dismantle the banking cartels.

Yes!!!

[–]Tigerbitecrazy 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

How TF does no one get this? Thank you for posting a legitimate response instead of the drivel we get from left/right sources

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Gracias! :-D

We're all inundated with Propaganda (from both sides), and it's easy to lose sight of the actual facts.

Both sides have decent arguments, some social policies are no-brainiers. Most are complex.

Also, welcome to the party. Send your friends here to join the fray! ;-)

[–]Tigerbitecrazy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

With insightful people like you helping to lead the way through the mounds of BS, I don't see any reason not to.

[–]Velocity 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Americans love socialism? That's why they're fleeing socialist leaning states right? No one fall for this tripe. You are conflagrating basic public services with a mediocre economic ideology that steals 60% or more of your hard earned money to redistribute to those less productive than you as it slowly stifles innovation and turns you into a de facto ward of the state with increasingly dwindling civil rights. Humans innately tend towards corruption, socialism increases govt power centralizing and emboldening this corruption.

Studying history will give you the truth and reveal people who espouse socialism as daydreaming fools who have learned nothing from history.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are conflagrating basic public services...

Did you really create a new account to attempt to shill with this nonsense bullshit on your first comment??

You're congratulating your own credibility.