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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

the media, owned by israel, had made liberalism, leftism, and socialism terms of derision, theyir central bank wants capitalism, aka let the rich do whatever they want and bribe politicians.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I enjoy your perspective, but it doesn't quite add up. The mainstream media and academia overwhelmingly promotes liberalism and socialist policies..ie..Marxism, while demonizing Right leaning ideologies to the point of blatant censorship.

I understand that elite leftists are ultimately pro-corporate and pro-war. However, claiming they're trying to make their minions and useful idiots become sources of ridicule, which affects their credibility, seems like a stretch.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

they divide and conquer, now the medisa promotes identity politics but not leftwing economics. Bernie is wildy populr because he does the opposite. HOWEVER, I am not naive to think that if he somehow becomes president, he will not sell out. Either that or he would be JFK'd.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, I get what you're saying and understand how both sides are intentionally agitated to create conflict. I'm just not entirely convinced that when a right leaning news outlet etc. points out problems caused by prevalent left wing ideologies, that the right leaning source is automatically (as Tom Bombadil would say) an "Israeli propaganda site". I have found a few instances that are suspicious, but many genuinely seem to be grassroots resistance to global corporatism.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

haha tom is against speaking in general, are there israeli propaganda sites out there? yes. does that mean every news site is one? No. Just cuz something possibly occurs he wants to always bring it up and that makes it hard to discuss anything. Now to mention a rw, grassroots resistance to global corporatism. Globalism? Corporatism? Capitalism right? Being for these things used to be considered rw. Bill Clinton got criticized from the left for NAFTA. They call it neoloiberalism. Why not regular liberalism, why the neo? Laiiz faire, free market capitalism, classical liberalsim. Socialism is against this. Socialism is not necessarily liberal, liberal and conservative don't necessarily match up with leftwing and right wing. It shouldn't all get put in a box. How about national socialism. Gets a bad reputation because of what went down with WWII. If they weren't rounding up jews and invading other countries, what would have been the problem? USSR. Was that national socialism too? That nation being russia. If they weren't putting people in gulags and invading eastern europe would they have been so bad? Ok end of rant.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good /rant, thank you for your intelligent input.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I've seen plenty of Israeli interviews where "leftist" is a perjorative. No one else says it.

It's a dead give away.

Any examples of Western shows that use the term "leftist"?

If so, then I'd like to see it.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

honestly? foxnews rails against leftists all day every day. Are you homnestly saying that if someone says the word leftist they are an israeli shill. It could be possible but that is not proof of it.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Find a clip of them saying this term. Let's see it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you can't be serious. gotta block you too now.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Get on it.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Maybe you're doing a valuable service, and then again, maybe you're on a witch hunt. You've accused me of being a shill for simply disagreeing with you or asking clarification. I think there's some validity to the monsters you see as you stare into the abyss, but sometimes I think confirmation bias makes everything look like a monster to you.

Also, a significant amount of Redditors live in a cozy echo chamber. Many of them are fine with censorship, and squashing dissenting opinions. Doesn't seem like a great idea to want to flood an open speech platform like this with the kind of people that get easily offended by a simplistic post such as OPs.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

More of you're admitted sophistry, huh.

That's quite a bit of over explaining. You're clearly on the defensive.

Patience, son...

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm simply explaining my position and thoughts. Show the sophistry if you believe that.

I ask you for civil dialogue and for you to substantiate your points with proof. And you respond with belligerence and ad hominem attacks. Who is acting like a shill?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Maybe you're doing a valuable service, and then again, maybe you're on a witch hunt. You've accused me of being a shill for simply disagreeing with you or asking clarification. I think there's some validity to the monsters you see as you stare into the abyss, but sometimes I think confirmation bias makes everything look like a monster to you.

Also, a significant amount of Redditors live in a cozy echo chamber. Many of them are fine with censorship, and squashing dissenting opinions. Doesn't seem like a great idea to want to flood an open speech platform like this withou're the kind of people that get easily offended by a simplistic post such as OPs.

The entirety of your previous comment is sophistry. It is not dialogue, and it contains no facts, or concise opinions.

It is full of assumptions and questions, that are intended to misrepresent both facts and your intentions.

It's a useful weapon against weak minded people like your subbordinate /u/Penelope.

It's a tool of deceit for shills and propagandists.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You are living proof that OPs post that left leaning people are more mentally unstable is absolutely true. Pardon my Ad Hominem, but you're either a shill and-or schizophrenic.

You have little to no self awareness and are socially incompetent and awkward to put it nicely.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are living proof that OPs post that left leaning people are more mentally unstable is absolutely true. Pardon my Ad Hominem, but you're either a shill and-or schizophrenic.

You have little to no self awareness and are socially incompetent and awkward to put it nicely.

Poor baby throws a tantrum when he gets his ass handed to him. I can just see you getting your responses from your IDF note cards, cause you're an amateur.

Think of this as a Valentines day gift, ya bitch.

Bye. ;-)

/u/Penelope

/u/JasonCarswell

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Found you again! Buh bye user Tyrdhead!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm still wanting evidence. Did you post some?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No, he ran away. Some /u/velocity character just appear, so I'm guessing he rebranded.