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[–]DffrntDrmmr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Bernie to Donald: 'no u'

This post title does not represent the point of the linked article at all.

According to EconLib, socialism is “a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production.” While giving special government favors to connected individuals and corporations is definitely cronyistic, it’s not the same as socialism. Sanders ought to know that by now. He is in fact the one advocating for government controlling whole industries such as education and health care.

Sanders response that being a socialist is somehow negative when your name is Donald Trump is comical as well. It also cuts against his own narrative that socialism is nothing to fear.

When Sanders claims Trump is a socialist who helps the rich, he negates the fact socialism tends to benefit the politically connected even more than other political systems do, because it makes all of human life subject to political control. If enacted, Sanders’ socialist programs would mean only the rich can access high-quality goods and services, while the rest of us are stuck with DMV-level services in every sector. The very thing he claims Trump is guilty of more accurately applies to him.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

The article may not be appropriate, but the socialism for the wealthy is a fact.

Housing crisis: screw the homeowner and save the Banksters

GM fails: bail it out, pump money into it until the economy stabilizes, then sell it back to the previous investors for a discount.

The wealthy get handouts, bailouts, incentives, tax credits, giveaways... The list goes on and on.

The average American gets increased taxes, higher medical bills for reductions in services, degrading infrastructure, served on a rusty platter of propaganda.

[–]DffrntDrmmr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

'Corporate welfare' is a more appropriate term than 'socialism.'

Socialism is “a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production.” While giving special government favors to connected individuals and corporations is definitely cronyistic, it’s not the same as socialism.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

That's not the definition of socialism.

Socialism is worker control of industry.

You're using the fraudulent Soviet propaganda version, which attempted to leverage The populist appeal of socialism.

The US was more than willing to repeat this fraud, because it helped to vilify socialism.

Corporate Welfare are socialistic programs.

Other socialistic programs:.

  • Medicare
  • social security
  • public sewers
  • utilities
  • public roads and freeways
  • Public Education (which was used for brainwashing and schooling instead of actual education
  • Fire departments
  • Police (formerly Union bashing hired thugs transferred to the public's payroll. Literally.)
  • National parks
  • Etc.

The costs of all of these services are socialized.

Americans actually love socialism, but they don't recognize it when they see it.

Free-market was a concept similar to utilities, where you aren't gouged for using it. You (formerly) paid a small fee just above the cost to produce.
A "free market" was a market so efficient, that the products were almost free beyond the actual cost to produce.

Imagine paying a few pennies above cost to use your cell phone? Or Internet?

The public commons own the airways. They telecoms rent from us; for free.

We deserve a discount for using our property.

That's traditional free-market.

[–]DffrntDrmmr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Nothing you've said here is correct. You have a really skewed understanding of socio-economics and its terminology.

[–]black_hole_son 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

He is 100% correct. You are wrong. Stings don't it.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Really? Are you certain that you weren't schooled; rather than educated.

How do you know if you've learned the actual history vs. the revisionist version?

Do you really think that millions of people around the world favor govt control of industry?
Are you certain it's not worker control of industry?

Cause it is, and that's what they schooled you to prevent you from learning.

Example: FDR's n "New Deal" was a socialist program.

Don't worry though, because I was schooled too at one point.

I'm not a socialist, but I'm no longer schooled, either.

I'll give you +3 karma for the first step towards unschooling.

[–]DffrntDrmmr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My version is established and matches encyclopedias, textbooks, statesmen and is common knowledge.

Yours: ill-informed angsty social media nonsense. ;)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The version I reference is there Adam Smith classical economics version.

Your version is the Rockefeller Chicago school fraud version, that doesn't work, because it's a myth.

Real world applications in your economic version are called "special cases".

Literally, All real world applications are special cases, because the theories are crap, and they predict nothing.

You are a bit more educated for having read this.

Feel free to cite real world successes of your version to prove me wrong. ;-)

[–]steaknpotatoes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This dude is full of shit trying to redefine "socialism"

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where's your evidence?

Do you believe people acting in their own selfish self-interest is a fundamental human characteristic? I don't.

People are kind, and considerate, and generous, and feel good about helping strangers, and so on, and so forth.

I don't need to cite scientific studies to prove this, because every decent person behaves this way.

The Chicago school propagandists have to prove its not true, and they can't.

[–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

semantics