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Tulsi Gabbard's attorney states in legal filing against Hillary Clinton: "She has never experienced, does not currently experience, and does not expect to experience, thoughts of suicide."

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[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun - 4 years ago (13 children)

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Speaking of coincidences!

Our brains are wired to be biased at interpreting patterns along sets of data. Synchronicity of events and our interpretation of meaning behind them, can almost seem like... Magic on a subjective level. But it is purely coincidental and random or repeating iterations as part of the geometries in the time-space continuum. Also they can be manipulated or put in place by another actor artificially.

This is the also the mechanism of magicians and how the elite rule over the masses and control their societies; by pulling those mind strings of personal biases/hysteria and placating them with stimulation. (Prophecies, church, politics, business, tribalism etc.)

AN example of this: I was recently reading upon the history of Rome and Caesar's assassination on 44 BC and his nephew, Augustus being considered as the first emperor around 45 BC (though he never claimed the title himself).

Before Caesar's "dictator perpetuo" was established in 44 BC- Rome was a constitutional republic with the senate handling affairs. Upon 44 to 45 B.C., Rome had fallen into a civil war due to Caesar's assassination and Augustus had became next ruler of the constitutional republic in (an emperor's name) on 45 B.C.

These things sound pretty familiar to our current state of things- is it the (still roman) elite's handiwork?

44th President: Barack Obama, constitutional republic.

45th President: Donald Trump "God Emperor" (Alt-right title).

44 B.C. to 45 B.C. - (ITT: Civil war)

Anyway, the point of this is to elucidate the limitations of our mind. Not to propel self-fulfilling prophecies because our minds have a lazy compulsion to do so, and that is probably what the alt-right has been doing with the pepe meme. Rome ended up falling even harder as time progressed and there is STILL a lot of data that is totally random and ignored in this conjecture. So its not all correct, even though our minds would like for it to be. In a way, its a neat little trick! Or possibly a cloak-dagger conspiracy of the elite's handiwork behind the curtain and their troll agents. But never magic or chaos-magic that pepe stands for.

In fact, bubbles are formed and burst inexorably due to subjective mass-conscious consent of certain recognized and exploited patterns. The end result is never pretty.

So the final point is:

Beware of the tricks, of the wanna-be elite and their meme agents!

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lol, after that long post that I typed; you still don't get it. The internet is so interesting, all this participation yet still so much bias (I wonder if its because politics is involved?)!

I'll have to break it down point by point. Hopefully, it'll do the trick; but I am essentially repeating myself. And if only you could read or understand between the lines.

chaos magick doesn't necessarily have to be used for political purposes, or for nefariously manipulating reality unbeknownst to the majority

Except it is. Everything ends up being political as long as hierarchies and bureaucracies of power are centralized, Its kind of moot. Even the theory of splitting an atom was turned into a political powerhouse, people hunting and gathering- politics is involved. Fishing in a river- politics is involved. Art and design- politics gets involved etc. etc. There is not one thing that is popular that politics will not get involved in; despite the idealistic notion that it doesn't have to be that way. The path to that involves not having centralized power with a top down hierarchical system with agencies going rogue at convenience to cement their standing.

Thoth is often associated with wisdom, truth and record-keeping, but he was also associated with art, magic and science - so I'm not sure what you mean here

You forgot one thing, Thoth was also involved in justice as an incorruptible judge of the dead. Its why the heart was weighed against a feather, to determine purity as a ritual.

it could be used for literally any purpose, including spreading light, positivity and the truth. Just because the majority call it "chaos magic", doesn't mean it results in or relates with chaos in negative way - some refer to it as "success magic" or "neo-western occultism".

I appreciate the idealistic notions of neutrality, but it is no defense against the "results" of chaos or success magic. If you really wanted to be neutral, thou wouldn't seek to "control" chaos in an "own" way. If things go out of hand then than the hands will also go out of their way! See ya around kid.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 4 years ago* (3 children)

If you really wanted to be neutral, thou wouldn't seek to "control" chaos in an "own" way. If things go out of hand then than the hands will also go out of their way!

So you're basically saying using it alone, for any purpose, is wrong. Life is chaos to some - don't get too caught up in that word, some could argue chaos and freedom (or free-will) are synonymous. I understood your original post, but don't understand the reasoning behind your following posts; if you're going to using the political angle as your argument, where you said this:

Everything ends up being political as long as hierarchies and bureaucracies of power are centralized, Its kind of moot. Even the theory of splitting an atom was turned into a political powerhouse, people hunting and gathering- politics is involved. Fishing in a river- politics is involved. Art and design- politics gets involved etc. etc.

Wouldn't breathing be political too, since those who breathe run and are involved in political institutions and those who don't, don't? So should we just stop breathing and let things be, because things do get more fucky, complex and complicated when humans continue to breathe, develop and get involved?

Its why the heart was weighed against a feather, to determine purity as a ritual.

I don't see what purity has to do with this, as "chaos magick" can be very personal and again, doesn't have to be "chaotic in nature" or involve non-pure intention - whoever is "practicing" could borrow beliefs from any school of thought; "Hellenism", or the modern worship of a Greek God as a Tutelary Diety is becoming very popular. At the core of all "chaos magick", is using "personal belief" as a "magickal tool". In some aspects, it almost follows the "fake-it-'till-you-make-it" philosophy, with one's personal flavor of "esoteric belief" added in. It's more in vein of an expansion pack to "The Secret" than any other real hardcore occult stuff.

"The Secret is based on the belief of the law of attraction, which claims that thoughts can change a person's life directly."

That's the focus of "chaos magick" - believing, basically in one's self and their ideal reality or intentions, and their ability to change reality through their belief, not "chaos". This is all usually on a small scale, and again, for personally, positively improving one's life. "Chaos" in it's typical definition of the word doesn't have to be involved. Sometimes Sigils with the user's intent are put into them and are used to help channel their belief/intent. I don't see what's so inherently negative, not pure, or dangerous about this? Sure it could be used for negative reasons, but so could any other tool.

Like you said your self, this isn't too different from art - An incredibly popular and influential artist could inject messages into their art of their own volition (propaganda, not necessarily political in origin, maybe spiritual?), and alter their reality on a mass scale without having "practiced any magick at all", as to them, they were just creating art and adding their personal beliefs into it.

Also, just in case you didn't see me mention it, it's like not like I actively believe or practice this stuff, I have read about it though and do find it interesting. It's like the case of the chicken and the egg; does you believing your belief and intent as well as whatever philosophy/occult practices you subscribe to change your reality, actually change your reality, or is it the fact that you've adopted a new mind-set and maybe also physically set-out to manifest your "new reality", that's changed it? The obvious answer seems like it would be the latter, but there's interesting scenarios where it seems like it's the former once you look into them.

My favorite (and imo, the most interesting) "occultist", is John Dee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4juXgHIZ6E

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You misunderstood the context of my argument to begin with. There is no need to type so much lol.

So you're basically saying using it alone, for any purpose, is wrong.

Nope, not at all. I'm saying that elitists or wanna-be elitists (like the loose example: alt-right) who utilize chaos magic to influence world events and end up committing crimes- will be judged by the very same scale they throw out of balance inevitably. That is the hidden danger in all this because the effect of it will snow-ball. Case in point: pepe! (Wasn't really a coincidence).

Wouldn't breathing be political too, since those who breathe run and are involved in political institutions and those who don't, don't? So should we just stop breathing and let things be, because things do get more fucky, complex and complicated when humans continue to breathe, develop and get involved?

I... what. huh? Let me clarify these posts since they are prone to misunderstanding and expanding needlessly:

Breathing is political because elitist douches can mess up the air, forcing generations of people to be predisposed to diseases down the road. Do you think those industries are practicing chaos magick or science magick? Marketing, Engineering, Design, social control, Power and hierarchy? The answer is yes.

The rest of the topic seems irrelevant since the basis of my argument was: evil idiots utilizing some sort of magic in the wrong way to achieve political ends; and the masses that fall for the trap and get hurt. I don't care if anyone wants to believe in magic or practice it since it barely holds up to the mantle of real fact and reasoning since the only trick is how our primitive brains are predisposed to its "shiny" effects.

However, crimes shall always go to court! :)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (1 child)

You misunderstood the context of my argument to begin with. There is no need to type so much lol.

Well, actually there is when I'm trying to understand/have a discussion with you, and you're being purposefully vague and ambiguous with what you mean, asking me to read in-between the lines as if I know you, while you keep deleting your accounts so I have no idea where you're coming from/stand, and you write so little while being so vague.

From the very beginning, before you responded to me, when I was discussing chaos-magick, I stated I wasn't discussing the pepe-kek scenario (but found some of the coincidences interesting or fun). You were still hung up on that pepe topic lol. So now I do understand, we were having two different conversations.

"May I ask, what do you have against chaos-magick?"

"What would thoth have against chaos magick?

(Rhetorical question)"

That's ambiguous af, and I was simply asking what you had against this "practice of magick" that really isn't too different from The Secret, a thought tool, or psychological tool that basically follows the "fake-it-'till-you-make-it" philosophy, when used to improve one's personal life. You continued going down the political and purity angle despite my side of the conversation being clear, which is what I did not understand.

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[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (1 child)

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Thank you for linking, this series was an interesting read - Kek aside. Whenever I read articles like this, it feels like a reconfirmation of my belief in The Law of One, or that we are all one being or consciousness experiencing reality from multiple perspectives.

"It’s worth noting here that the things that get projected onto the Shadow needn’t be morally bad in any conventional sense. In an earlier episode of this series, for example, I mentioned the Traditionalist thinker Julius Evola. Read his writings and you’ll find them full of sneering contempt toward the modern world for its softness and its humanitarianism—this latter is a dirty word in Evola’s vocabulary. What was going on, to judge from accounts written by people who knew Evola in person, was that he loathed his own capacities for kindness, gentleness, and compassion, and so loaded them onto the Shadow he projected onto the society around him. The Revolt Against the Modern World he wrote about in his most famous book, as such things always are, was ultimately a revolt against himself."

And what separates manipulation of perspectives or personal realities and experiences, as well as the use of "psychology" for such purposes, from what some may define as magick? That was something interesting this series brought up.

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