the problem with illegal immigration

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[–]Drewski 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (38 children)

Many illegal immigrants use someone else's social security to work, so they are actually paying taxes but under someone else's name. Illegal immigrants also do not qualify for welfare or other benefits, though their children may. The problem here is the welfare state which takes our money and incentives and subsidies unemployment and underemployment. That's the real theft.

If you think that illegal immigrants are just rolling through easy street, working great jobs, getting free healthcare, and getting into all the best jobs and schools without any effort, you are out of touch with reality. Living in fear of deportation & taking the jobs that other people are not willing to work for low wages is not my version of an ideal life.

[–]YOSUCKMYDICKRABBI 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

taking the jobs that other people are not willing to work for low wages

ok kike go spread your shit somewhere else

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

yep that is fake news long debunked, us americans would do the work if it paid a living wage, won't happen till all immigrants are sent back, they depress wages.

[–]burst 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Breh, America imported slaves packed into a tight little ships, just so that they would pick cotton after they got here; because the slave master didn't want to do the work.Your idea of a living wage is totally imaginary for Americans and your version of America is completely false.

You are fake news long debunked. GTFO the internet and America.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

slavery was a mistake but also needed to send them all back to africa

[–]black_hole_son 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

ditto you dickhead

[–]Wanga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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[–]YOSUCKMYDICKRABBI 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

imagine being this much of a kike faggot

[–]GreenCappy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, found the nazi

[–]Zahn 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

If you think that illegal immigrants are just rolling through easy street, working great jobs, getting free healthcare, and getting into all the best jobs and schools without any effort, you are out of touch with reality. Living in fear of deportation & taking the jobs that other people are not willing to work for low wages is not my version of an ideal life.

Seems like a manufactured problem on behalf of the illegal immigrant. It's like you're empathizing with someone who has committed a crime in that they may be legally punished for that crime.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (24 children)

You seem to think all "crimes" are against a fair and just legal system.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

it is fair and just to keep out illegals

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Is it also fair and just for the FBI and CIA to subvert alternatives, foreign and domestic?

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

The entire matrix of systems is rigged - especially to those less fortunate, including any "illegals".

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is it also fair and just for the FBI and CIA to subvert alternatives, foreign and domestic?

What do you mean by this?

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

Maybe, but that's pure speculation. Seems most who are infiltrating the border are low skilled. Even though they have the option of free education in their home countries, they'd rather risk life and limb to get paid the same to rake leaves in the US as they would being an actual college educated professional in their own country. Importing education adverse people is a good idea?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If foreign countries were allowed to develop without multinationals and the CIA fucking their shit up, then they might ultimately have the freedom to develop decentralized fair systems alternative to the centralized capitalist hierarchies. CIA don't want that.

It's not pure speculation. For the most part people don't want to leave their homes, families, culture, etc. (beyond short vacations). Refugees and migrants are forced to seek better lives via any alternative means possible, "legitimate" or not.

Each country has their own education pros and cons, so that point is moot. So too with the employment opportunities, and/or social efforts for poor dumb fucks.

I'm not saying we need to welcome them, but we don't need to shit on or abuse them. Better yet, how about we stop oppressing/exploiting them at home in their own countries.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Everything the ruling class does is a double edged sword to advance their agenda. As in, destabilize Latin America so crony American capitalists can easily exploit them and keep them diplomatically under their heel. And in the same swoop with this sword push low educated immigrants to invade the US, suppressing working class wages. While serving to be a Trojan horse to demographically undermine the US citizens "democracy" in the ruling classes favor.

However, most Americans don't know what's going on, nor would they be ok with it were they aware. This ubiquitous "we" you refer to that should stop doing harmful things is not "us" doing it. Clearly out of our control since decades of voting hasn't fixed anything and the main stream media mind fuck is worse than ever.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

100% true. I'm Canadian too, so "we" may be even more inappropriate.

Voting is a rigged joke, to give the illusion of a say, meanwhile take away one party and you've got a dictatorship. The bare minimum of "choice".

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And in the same swoop with this sword push low educated immigrants to invade the US, suppressing working class wages. While serving to be a Trojan horse to demographically undermine the US citizens "democracy" in the ruling classes favor.

BINGO,

[–]burst 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have something insightful to share with you, based on your dumb comment:

"Seems most who are Americans are low in tolerance. Even though they have the option of free education in their Country, they'd rather hate and evict people who get paid less to rake leaves in the US as they would being an actual college educated professional in their own country. Hating education adverse people is a scapegoat."

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

other countries should build a wall to keep out FBI and CIA I guess

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's no wall that can keep out their money.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

that makes no sense. Make a wall, also keep out their money, that is harder? Because the leaders of places like bolivia and Venezuela are corrupt and accept bribes? Same problem here in USA, our politcians accepting bribes from bankers and israel. Gotta stop that too, but we can chew gum and walk at the same time and keep out illegals. Definitely doesn't help to just allow all of these immoral and illegal crimes to go on. Poor logic.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's no wall that can keep out corruption. People inside will sell out and people outside will buy in to affect change and rig things in their favour.

A wall won't do anything to the powers that be. A wall will only hinder poor people, and not very well.

All government everywhere is corrupt to many degrees. Bigger government and corporations have influence over the smaller governments.

YES! You are 100% correct about the corporatocracy - bankers, government, media etc AND Israel.

We can't effectively keep out "illegals" until we take down the CIA, banks, and Israel's influence - AND keep the corporatocracy from meddling in others' affairs. I don't know how.

The big crime corruption is FAAAAAAAR worse than the cumulative small crime. Also, small time criminals wouldn't stoop to crime if they had a fair chance.

Punch up, not down. Fight elites not each other. How? Fuck if I know, but punching down doesn't help.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

blocked for defeatism

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Without that external pressure they'd flourish at home, not seek a life elsewhere.

"flourishing" is in the eyes of the beholder, and what you may see as a quick fix with puppy dogs, and ice cream usually takes a little more.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"Takes a little more"? Like the way the CIA infiltrates and disrupts countless foreign elections and political systems.

Bolivia was doing better before they recently flipped everything there. So too with Venezuela. Honduras, basically everything south of Mexico, heck Mexico too. And that's just on this side of the world.

I don't know what you mean by puppy dogs and ice cream as I'm into neither.

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Takes a little more"? Like the way the CIA infiltrates and disrupts countless foreign elections and political systems.

Bolivia was doing better before they recently flipped everything there. So too with Venezuela. Honduras, basically everything south of Mexico, heck Mexico too. And that's just on this side of the world.

I don't know what you mean by puppy dogs and ice cream as I'm into neither.

And you feel illegal immigration is justified exactly how when the corporations that were, and are behind that, don't like the American populace?

As far as the puppy dogs, and ice cream comment, have you lived in any of the communities you listed off? I've lived in a number of those countries south of the border, as well as worked construction in Texas with many of those same cultures present. There's a lot of infighting, and a LOT of cultural clashes with what's normal, and not normal.

So to be clear, I read, or interpret what you're saying as, 'since the multinational corporations in charge of the US Govt. are causing mischief in other countries, the American populace who's also the target of those same tyrants, must accept the consequences of said multinational corporations that don't like them as well???'

Is that close to what you're saying, or not, and if not then can you clearly explain what you think the future should for Americans?

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, you assume.

"you feel illegal immigration is justified"

I never said that at all. It doesn't have to be for or against.

If you are for decriminalizing drugs it doesn't mean you are an addict. It doesn't mean you do those drugs. It doesn't mean you want to legalize them all.

I'm not supporting the "illegals" nor am I supporting them. Above all, I am not against them or making them suffer worse than they already have it. I'm also for diffusing the weaponized division.

I have lived in Austin, Oakland, etc where there were "those guys" who live under the bridges, etc that stand around on the corner by the Home Depot waiting for day labour. That's hardly a life worth aspiring to, nor worth picking on.

Fighting those easy targets doesn't solve any of the problems they might bring.

I'm sorry I don't have a better answer/solution for you. If I did I might have whipped that out sooner. All I know is punching down is the way Empire trickles down. Compassion is the opposite.

#FightElitesNotEachOther

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen plenty of leftists, rightists, and centrists talk of love, and compassion, and all that beautiful jazz; yet ask them to define either of those, and it only goes to the depths of 'as seen on tv' in regards to what those words actually encompass. Consistently I've seen the definition of love, as 'people being happy', and the definition of compassion almost exclusively uses arguments similar to yours to justify; "oh just look at them, I feel sad for them, because they live differently than I do, and I cannot imagine living that way so they must be oppressed, lord have mercy on them!!!" I wonder how you define them? I will say, that seeing how you feel pity for people in regards to how they choose to live, or work isn't love, or compassion; it falls somewhat on the 'as seen on tv'. Why?

Well let me do some assuming! You equate those living under bridges as illegals and looking for work at Home Depot? Interesting to say the least, I've never ran into many homeless illegals living under bridges. Usually they as a small group at the least will rent a room...somewhere. Who do live under bridges historically, and most times I see anymore are homeless Americans. Whether due to drug addiction, mental illness, or whatever, they still chose that lifestyle( in my rating system we should help those at home before strangers; lets start with the homeless ). I think it's telling though to mix homeless in with illegals; why not throw in a transgender, or 'save the illegal drag queens living under the bridges, they've got rights too!'.

I mean, I see how you finished your last post, '#fightelitesnoteachother', but your fight the elites is exactly what the authoritarian state wants. Let me fix your hastag to what it really means #bend-over-and-take-it.

You do realize they fix elections all the time in Mexico simply by giving the poor trinkets, and you want to bring more of that to America?

[–]DffrntDrmmr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know what you mean by puppy dogs and ice cream as I'm into neither.

Or baseball, hotdogs and apple pie, either, it appears. :)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You mean moose, maple syrup, and beavers, eh?

[–]burst 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are better off saying: it is fair and just to better illegals and bring them to integrate well within our fine system. While improving and expanding our system appropriately so that nobody has to be an illegal.

But you can't say anything like that, because you are a dumb territorial animal who can't see the bigger picture. Waddle in your own misery and burn in the fart wind you turd.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

they gotta go back

[–]edwwsw 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

taking the jobs that other people are not willing to work for low wages

I'm good with the points you are making with the exception of this one. Low wage jobs can have low wages because there are people willing to work them. If their are not people willing to work them, then either the job goes offshore (not feasible for most of the remaining low wage jobs) or wages increase to the point were someone is willing to work it.

The strongest arguments for limiting any type of migration centers around stability of the employment markets.

[–]bald-janitor 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Ok boomer

[–]go1dfish 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A better title would be: The problem with taxation

Everything you point out as a negative here is a result of government coercion, and you want to solve it with further coercion.

[–]HeyImSancho 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

great meme.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not really.

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, awesome you can dictate what I think in my mind; winning!

[–]offendedsexregister 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's also irresponsible to your children. If I went to go live in China illegally and had the gaul to attempt to have children there, when I get deported or jailed I'm leaving my kids to fend for themselves or have the government look after them.

I'm pretty anarchist, but while the law exists you cannot be a criminal and have children and be a good person. People complain about families being seperated.. yeah, a bunch of irresponsible people did stupid shit while they have kids.

If we sent the parents to jail instead of deported them the kids would have the same problem.

Of course you get rid of government and taxes and programs all of a sudden the lure of the sweet life goes away and they stop coming. Any successful nation with a mixed economy is going to replace its population generation to generation when the people who would be on the receiving end of a mixed economy move to it. I've yet to see a country with that kind of migratory pressure enact any law that prevented immigration.

[–]neigeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

china doesn't have a garbage birthright citizenship law. the child would be your own country's problem

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why not mention that there's a minimum wage but no maximum wage?

Why not criticize the mandatory taxes for things they may or may not wish to pay for?

The law requires employers to cover other expenses, many of which should not be mandatory and could be handed back to the employee's responsibility.

Many of the subsidies the employers get are not shared with their employees, legal or otherwise.

The establishment does not support democracy in the workplace, ie. worker coops.

There's too much wrong with this biased absurd cartoon.

[–]burst 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well the conservative propaganda machine has gone full retard since 2016.

Their party and followers are basically chasing after moby dick.

[–]DffrntDrmmr 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

From 1990 to 2017, the unauthorized immigrant population tripled in size – from 3.5 million to 10.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2017.

— Pew Research

[–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

'unauthorized immigrant'

They are illegal aliens.

No wonder no one in America can speak English.

[–]DffrntDrmmr 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That was the term Pew Research happened to use in the report I got the fact from. Illegal alien is an accurate one. Wetback works, too.

[–]burst 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Zomg fax! Ppl run 4 hill.

[–]neigeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah this illegal vs legal immigration shit is getting annoying. all immigration is bad

[–]GoNzO 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We need to stop all immigration for a while or we will NEVER see a republican president again.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Trump allows more immigration than Obama. Trump is a Neocon and former democrat.

[–]burst 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you jesus! You are truly deserving of your name for speaking the truth.

He also hired illegal immigrants for labor so as to not pay them as much as union affiliated Americans. Now the douche wants to drum up hatred against illegals as a way of destroying the country. Well hell, that dude is waiting.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

AT this point if he ever does build the wall it might be for keeping us in, lol.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right you are my son! And we shall take down that wall like true Americans! No wall shall keep the holy spirit divided!

Dividers get to burn in hell. United we will state!

[–]basedaf1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So according to this website Jon is paying 14.65% in taxes state and federal. If Jon contributes to a 401k, obviously less. Also he is forced to pay into social security, a good thing for most Americans, and his boss doubles his contributions. That's another 7.5% he's getting. While we're on the subject, benefits often account for about 30% of an employees salary. So he's now doing way better than if he was off the books (as many legal construction workers are) Oh but they're working construction? What happens when the statistically likely event of an injury happens? Jon's company is legally required to have workers comp insurance. He get's paid time off, and paid for his injuries. If juan is permanently disabled, his company may have to shut down as they can't afford his medical bills, but good luck with that legal battle. Going to take a while to get the pay out, and he may be too afraid of deportation to even try.

I can go further down this rabbit hole if you like. My grandad avoided paying taxes on large amounts of money his whole life. That money could've been invested and earned interest. Instead its now worth substantially less than if he paid the taxes and just put it in bonds. At 2% inflation relate money halves in spending power in a few short decades. Also he had to guard it himself. If you're money is sitting under a mattress, you risk someone breaking in and tying up your family while they ransack your house. Got to be good at keeping secrets. I can actually go further on the topic, but I think I made my point. This post isn't a complete version of events, and in most situations paying taxes is in your personal interest. Obviously if you made 20 dollars babysitting, these concerns don't apply to you.

[–]h5hje45ahtae4w 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ironically the biggest law violator in this hypothetical example is the US citizen business owner who is breaking IRCA, minimum wage, and a host of other laws that we already have.

You just focus on immigration, specifically hispanic immigration, because you are racist and worried they are economically more competitive than you.

[–]burst 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ya'll act like America wasn't founded on illegal immigration. Nuff' said

The challenge is to make it legal and reconcile. But none of the comments here synthesize towards that expansive solution. Just bickering like oil and water.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Submit their only illegal because you say so. Pass a law or shut the fuck up.