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[–]YOSUCKMYDICKRABBI 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

I grew up read enough news realized you have to be retarded to think civilians with guns are helping anything.

Unless we start training every faggot starting in middle school on how to be john wick .

The collateral damage is just retarded unless you doing this in your holler nobody taking your shotgun cleetus and black cleetus.

Read up on that mall shooting where we had some heroes ... grow up accept that 50 percent of people are below 100 iq and that there is no option but to live in close proximity where this gun play shit is just kike hollywood teenage fantasy .

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I think it has to do with training. Switzerland is an extremely safe country where everyone has a gun, because people are properly trained to use their guns.

In the US it is a bit of a free-for-all because that's how the gun manufacturers want it. I think getting a gun license should be like getting a car license, it should require a 3-week course you have to take, as well as a proficiency test (showing you can shoot, use, and clean your gun properly) before getting the license.

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    [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Perhaps the censorship of people expressing themselves freely will be a much more important factor.

    I agree you have a point about mental illness, the rate is relatively high in the US.

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      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I think you have good points. I want to add this graph: http://www.globalo.com/content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-02-at-16.53.49.png

      [–]Only71Genders 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Excellent graph. Pretty solid proof that gun ownership does not even correlate to mass shooting prevalence. Almost like Americans are inherently fucked up and we need more focus on that aspect.

      [–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      The flaw in your logic lies with a basic understanding of the constitution. I'm guessing you're a millennial, I'm NOT saying that in a derogatory manner, just that very few have an understanding of it. I'm a Xennial, they suck too.

      The problem is this: driving is a privilege, not a right. Whereas gun ownership is a right, not a privilege. The "free for all" has nothing to do with gun manufacturers, and everything to do with our rights and culture. I'll let you chew on that for a minute, but I'll end this part by saying perhaps a more accurate comparison is requiring training before issuance of a conceal-carry permit, which most states already do.

      Citing the gun statistics or anecdotes from Switzerland is similar to citing health care statistics or anecdotes from Nordic or other oft cited northern European countries.

      These countries are largely homogenous in their ethnic and demographic makeup, i think the Swiss are beginning to open up their borders to outsiders, but it's still largely white, Swiss or European people.

      Beyond demographics just 40 or 50 years ago, students used to bring rifles to school to participate in shooting competitions and competitive shooting leagues. This was common even in large cities such as NYC. I've seen old photos of kids with rifles under their desks, like back packs are today.

      Gun ownership was actually more prevalent in the past. Now you can be in many cities and meet people who've never seen a firearm, let alone own one. Fewer people own more guns now.

      But for all our problems, school shootings and mass shootings are pretty low. So low in fact data analysts have been adapting what is considered a mass shooting/school shooting to help the cause.

      So what's changed from 60/70 years ago? This is a far better question. A lot of people like to cite demographics, or mental health. I tend to think of these as scapegoats for the lazy and uninformed (although i do think there are serious and as of yet unseen problems with the widespread use of anti depressants and other psychotropic drugs in the U.S., far worse than the opioid "epidemic").

      I don't think a majority of the states would ratify the constitution today. The first, second, fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment seem anathema to what a majority of people want or believe today, on the left and the right. No offense, but i think comparing/confusing the right to own a gun and defend yourself from your government to the privilege of driving a car is prima facie example of this.

      Further, when i read the declaration of independence, which were the reasons for this country and our constitution, i see very little in similarities between the people that wrote that document and the people that inhabit the country today.

      The U.S. was great not because of our constitution, but because of the underlying ideals and beliefs of it's people and recognition of what/who people are. The govt can lock up the constitution in a safe at Fort Knox, but when the DOI no longer represents the beliefs of the people, you might as well wipe you're ass with it, that would be a better use of the paper. And i think we are quickly approaching the time where they will remove what's left of the constitution because the people want the safety and security that only the government can provide them. In similar fashion as speech, have all the free speech you want just have it in particular zones and absolutely no hate speech.

      It's disheartening, but I'm reminded of the quote, "this constitution is meant for a moral and religious people, wholly unfit for any other". And for the people now to make a new constitution, i have no doubt it will be better and will represent the people quite well.

      [–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Sorry that was so long

      [–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That was one of the best posts about gun rights I've ever read. Thank you!

      [–]Tiwaking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Awesome post. Im keeping this forever <3 <3 <3