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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

lmao y'all niggas keep talking like that you're gonna give the very people you're talking the ammunition they need. That's what happened to Voat. Plus it makes us seem closed-minded and not open to discussion. We can't educate people that way.

I would argue that right-wing Zionist Jews are actually far less of an issue in this regard than secular Cosmopolitan Jews that have Zionist sympathies. It is the profound double standard applied to host nations versus the motherland that makes cosmopolitan Jews particularly distasteful. Neither faction should control our economy, media, or laws; but that ship has long since sailed - and plenty of ostensibly "innocent" people will get caught up in the crossfire of the eventual reckoning.

For the purposes of this comparison I would lay the policies of Stephen Miller, a right-wing Zionist / against those of George Soros, a cosmopolitan with Zionist sympathies.

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I apologize in advance for the lengthy reply, but I enjoy these discussions as they're not allowed on the majority of the internet. If I'm understanding you correctly, I pretty much agree with you, but because of this statement (which I also agree with):

"but that ship has long since sailed - and plenty of ostensibly "innocent" people will get caught up in the crossfire of the eventual reckoning."

and the fact that information has to be as digestible, and as legitimate as possible, it's more of just getting to the info as quickly and concisely as possible - it has to be coming from a neutral, informative place (backed by concrete sources, time has been a friend in that way), rather than one of hate. That's partially why I see the term "Zionist" more fitting than "Jew". And like I mentioned before, not every Jew is an active, participating Zionist, working for the control of "goyim" and "recreating Heaven on Earth in order to reconnect with their Father" by claiming, returning and building an esoteric structure in Israel (if that's truly their goal, as they say). There are many humans who just happened to be born into a Jewish family, were raised that way, and don't care much for religion, aren't in positions of prestige and don't even know what the Kabbalah really is.

I mean I hate to pull this card, but I both have Jewish blood in my veins (on my mother's side) and have a few friends who are Jewish that I met through school (we just became friends, no one vetted each other's religious background first, we were lil kids) - I live in a city where there are multiple ethnicities crammed into one place and grew up with people of all backgrounds who hung out together. I have spoken to some of my friends who are Jewish about the Talmud and Zionism when politics came up, and only one got upset with me a for little while because he couldn't refute or explain what I (or the Talmud was saying, he actually went to get his condensed Talmud book from his room because he believed the version I was showing him on the internet was "fake nazi shit", and got pissed when the same lines were in his book, and expounded on with detail). The others tried to explain the Talmud as the "Jewish" version of the "Old Testament", and most Jewish people who don't base their culture on their religion (essentially most Americanized Jews), don't take it seriously/to heart as it's outdated. For the most part, they agreed with me, and are your average group of kids - college/uni, girls, social media, fashion, music, friend groups/networking, working on being independent/expanding their circles, as well as part-time jobs and parties. No different than any another kid of another ethnicity at this age. And they aren't all that prestigious either. Not once has one of these friends discussed how the goyim need to be controlled or randomly mentioned Israel, and one aforementioned friend who's even a leftist, is against what Israel is doing to Palestine.

These terms (jew) have just become trigger words on the internet, through the media which they can use to divert from the information you're trying to share. Instead of using off-base descriptions (even though we understand what the other person means), we should get as close to an accurate, singular term as possible; they refer to themselves as Zionists, and discuss it on television, radio podcasts and events - *Biden's quotes at the end of comment, he's removed the videos due to his upcoming campaign - he was a little off the mark there with his date, I guess things didn't accelerate according to plan? - from celebrity, to politician; rather than "Jew" which they can throwback at you as being anti-semitic propaganda (like they did with The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion, despite everything in that book happening in current day and having been distributed en masse by people we consider important to American culture like Henry Ford and Walt Disney. Almost every sentence features the word "Jew", and it's discussing a radical religious group even if everything stated is factual on a political level (we understand what is meant by Jew, but to call every Jew a radical working towards a "one world order" is not only unfair, but inaccurate) - if there were books stating every white person was a Nazi upon birth, that'd be ridiculous and easily dismissible too (who knows in these times).

Why give them the opportunity or ammunition to discredit the important (or overload the information and make it hard to digest), factual information you're trying to spread? It defeats the whole purpose. We should be neutrally educating, allowing people to make up their own minds, instead of forcing information upon them. Instead of using terms or speaking in a way that could come off as "hate speech" due to PC culture.

I also wanna state, if you do a quick YouTube search, you'd be surprised at how many Jews, and even Israelis, are aware of Zionism and protest against it.

(And even if you wanna say this video is a Psyop, it's informing a bunch of randos in public about the term "Zionist" and how it relates to Jews)

*Quote from Biden Article

"By 2017, those of us of European stock," Biden said "will be an absolute minority in the United States of America."

That's "not a bad thing, that's a good thing," he added, because it means the U.S. is expanding the diversity of its people.

He has cheered the end of the white, European majority before. Last December, while in Morocco, he said:

"Ladies and gentlemen, in 2017, the United States for the first time, Caucasians of European descent like me will be in an absolute minority in the United States of America. The secret that people don't know is our diversity is the reason for our incredible strength."

So much tax-payer money has gone to Zionist means, when we could have been helping our own citizens and country. It never had to be this way.

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Not once has one of these friends discussed how the goyim need to be controlled or randomly mentioned Israel, and one aforementioned friend who's even a leftist, is against what Israel is doing to Palestine.

This is the curse of being intelligent. There is an elite cabal of ethnically Jewish interests, let's call them the Talmudic mafia. They control entertainment, finance, media, and have completely outsized control of the government; all achieved through extreme in-group preference and ethnic nepotism.

They actively work to undermine their host nations across the western world, while turning a blind eye to Israel's misdeeds and ensuring we fight it's wars for it. South Africa is what their victory looks like.

You and I are intelligent enough to know that this elite international clique has fuck all to do with the Jewish baker up the street (in fact, he is also fucked over by the same policies); however - most people are stupid. The average IQ of 90 has a hard time comprehending such a level of categorization; and when 90 is the average 50% are below that. We've been on a dysgenic path for around a century now. Stupidity is currently a better marker to measure biologically qualified success (offspring), than intelligence.

"White people are evil" only has traction due to this reality of human nature.

Since the intellectually mediocre cannot comprehend nuance - you eventually arrive at the end result of "Hitler did nothing wrong"; although a more accurate statement would be, "He did the best he could with what he had to work with (human nature)".

Reasoned debate will win you the hearts and minds of people interested in and capable of understanding the truth. Only well crafted propaganda will change enough hearts and minds to change the status quo.

Obligatory meme since you mentioned being part Jewish: https://files.catbox.moe/1ews5v.png

If I wanted to convince YOU mass immigration was bad I'd present facts and evidence.

If I wanted to convince the guy who fucked up my order at the fast food joint I'd just link him this: https://www.bitchute.com/video/SST1pYtS10iv/

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You and I are intelligent enough to know that this elite international clique has fuck all to do with the Jewish baker up the street (in fact, he is also fucked over by the same policies)

They literally sacrifice their own if they see it as being in the "greater good of Zion", or if they're not important enough and are considered a gentile. Many Zionists have spoken about this, and it's also in the Protocols.

Since the intellectually mediocre cannot comprehend nuance - you eventually arrive at the end result of "Hitler did nothing wrong"; although a more accurate statement would be, "He did the best he could with what he had to work with (human nature)".

I don't know if intelligence has anything to do with it; maybe nurture more than nature. I went down the rabbit hole after witnessing 9/11 at 9 and I'm pretty deep now being in my 20's. That's why I understand and empathize with cognitive dissonance and feel it's important we choose the correct words when we discuss this.

Only well crafted propaganda will change enough hearts and minds to change the status quo.

This isn't very optimistic. But part of me agrees with this too. Could that be considered what Henry Ford's mass distribution of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion along with the timing of distribution were?

Overall, I agree with you but I don't know if intelligence factors into it as much - I was raised in a very open-minded household and began researching this shit in 4th grade after witnessing 9/11. That turned my world upside down, being innocent, gullible and curious. I had complete trust and faith in our government, and saw them as our protectors until that month. This lead to many conversations with my father at a young age, such as ones about JFK and the Kennedys. I got introduced to a lot of concepts and what I call possibilities, at a young age that others didn't because of nurture, my environment and family. And they aren't kooks - they didn't push any of this information on me, I sought it out, and they wear their masks well.

For the most part, US Citizens haven't even considered this because they were groomed not to. I get that. The system groomed me that way too; I remember my first assignment in 1st grade was about what we wanted to be when we grew up, and I did it by myself (one of the first times I did HW by myself lol) stating I wanted to be the president and was so proud of what I wrote. Now I'd rather die, because I know what comes with that position, especially if you don't play by the rules.

Obligatory meme in response to your obligatory meme (hey, I'm only a quarter, it was good enough for the SS's eugenic's program!): https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1501492762145.jpg

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This isn't very optimistic. But part of me agrees with this too. Could that be considered what Henry Ford's mass distribution of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion along with the timing of distribution were?

Yep, it's why I can never embrace an "optics first" strategy and won't counter-signal even lowbrow "racists". Problems in this area aren't new; and they aren't going to be solved with politeness, voting, or reasoned debate. Certainly those things are important as well, but we're too far gone for them to be the answer.

“The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.” ― Adolf Hitler

https://files.catbox.moe/nydtge.jpg

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That was the most eloquently worded "we can't fix a broken system via a broken system" I've ever heard, and I agree with you. Are you going to fix a government you acknowledge is corrupt by voting for someone the government vetted as a potential candidate to fix the corruption in the government? Makes no sense.

I guess I could even see the intelligence bit (as there are many "types" of intelligence), however I still feel grooming plays a strong role in this process. We enter the world, and we're taught from day one that it works one way, when for people who have power, it actually works another. It's more like brainwashing to me.

More people are realizing this though, which is why I don't think it's solely intelligence, and why they want to control the internet like they do. Obama referred to our internet as "The Wild West version of the Internet", I'm sure he truly gives a fuck about cyber bulling; the spread of information is more worrisome to them.