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[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You say the same unborn child could be a fetus or a parasite, depending on the opinion of the mother. Most pregnant women consented to having sex with a man that caused their egg to become fertilized and most women are aware that is how babies are formed. So how could she call the unborn child a parasite? The child did not force the parents to have sex. This is the same as a woman that ate food and wondered how her belly got full. What is in her belly? Food? Or something else, because she has some hateful opinion for what is inside of her body?

Here is the scripture cited:

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Exodus

21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

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So, if you want to stick to the old law, an abortionist could legally get a beating, or any other punishment, as determined by the husband, PLUS the fine imposed by judges.

And for those women who die from abortion complications, and it does happen, those abortionists would be executed.

God's word shows that abortion is a form of satanic sacrifice.

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Leviticus 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

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What is the disposal method today for aborted babies? Sometimes their bodies are literally burned in fire. But God's word clearly prohibits the burning of our seed. You cannot truthfully use God's word to justify abortion.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Most pregnant women consented to having sex with a man

So let's just ignore those who didn't, shall we, and compound the abuse and trauma they already suffered? How very christian of you 😒

Let's go back to consent. Every time I eat food, I risk getting food poisoning. Does that mean I consent to being poisoned if I eat out? Obviously not. If I drive on the road, I run the risk of somebody crashing into me and killing me. Does that mean I consent to being run into? Clearly not.

"If you didn't want to almost die from food poisoning, you shouldn't have eaten."

Having sex does not mean you are ready, willing or able to be a parent, or that you consent to pregnancy.

Alone of all of god's creations, human beings are capable of planning their families using whatever combination of methods physically available. Animals mate, and have no control over whether they get pregnant, and if so, whether they carry the fetus to term. We are not just animals, we have the ability to plan their family. Consenting to sex is not consenting to nine months pregnancy followed by 18 years of raising a child and teenager.

So, if you want to stick to the old law, an abortionist could legally get a beating

Only if that abortionist performed an abortion without the consent of the woman. That would be assault.

If you go to a surgeon to have a gangrenous leg amputated, that is not assault and grievous bodily harm. If you allow a friend to borrow your car, that is not theft.

those women who die from abortion complications

All medical procedures carry some risk.

God's word shows that abortion is a form of satanic sacrifice.

Got an actual reference in scripture for that, or are you just repeating the lies you have been taught?

You are doing the Devil's work by repeating lies about scripture, and doing real harm: women who will unnecessarily die from medical complications because of abortion bans, unwanted babies who will be grow up to be troubled criminals, all fodder for the Devil. Whose side are you on?

God's word clearly prohibits the burning of our seed.

The bible does not prohibit cremation.

The Bible does not prohibit abortion either. Don't take my word for it: read it yourself, and you will find nothing, not one single word, that prohibits or condemns abortion for family planning. Child sacrifice to worship foreign gods? Prohibited. Assaulting a woman and causing her to miscarry against her will? A crime. But abortion, nothing.

The New Testament says nothing about abortion, and the Old Testament is conflicted about the status of babies and children. It is a Satanic lie that has convinced Christians that the Bible prohibits abortion.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The Bible does not prohibit abortion either.

There are many specific forms of killing that are not named in the Bible, but God covers them all in one commandment that he engraved in stone:

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

And in the New Testament, Jesus is recorded giving the Royal Law:

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Would you like for men to kill you when you are considered a nuisance and unwanted?

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

The rest of the Bible: kill witches, kill your enemies, kill criminals, kill anyone who touches the Arc of the Covenant (God will do that for you), kill innocent people from another tribe because God wants you to steal their land and enslave their women and children, kill your child because God wants a sacrifice (God to Abraham: nah, just kidding, LOL -- God to Jephthah: did I fucking stutter?).

Even Jesus said “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34).

The prohibition against killing only applies to people, and even then God allows exceptions. We kill plants and animals and insects a thousand times a day and nobody even blinks. A fetus is not a person.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Are you God's judge? You defend the right to kill the unborn, but then you seem to have a problem with God's judgments. The unborn are innocent. Witches and criminals are not. How about we leave the judgments up to the Judge? He commands us to not avenge ourselves, but to let God repay.

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Those that support killing the innocent... the unborn children... should fear God's vengeance.

You leap to a conclusion that a baby in its mother's womb is not a person. You were once that weak and helpless. So does that mean you are not a person? Or, at what time did you become a person? Are you sure you are a living person even now?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are you God's judge?

Maybe someone should be.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is good to examine God's word with the intention of finding the truth, but it is not wise to try to be God's judge. God is already the most perfect being with far more wisdom than us. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Perfection shouldn't come with genocidal rage and impossible demands such as to police thought crime. This god you speak of is a tyrant and a dictator hell-bent on causing death and suffering. The same god would have you believe you are born in sin and must spend your entire life repenting and begging on your knees for forgiveness, it is despicable to act as though this were normal behaviour, let alone to refer to this manic as perfect.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I read your accusations against the God of the living, then I looked at your chosen username... I'm done with you. I am also done arguing with the guy that had his face eaten by weavils. You can defend yourself when it is time for you to give account for your life: how you thought, spoke, and acted. But for those of us that repent, we have Jesus the Lord as our mediator.

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[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You leap to a conclusion that a baby in its mother's womb is not a person.

Damn straight. You would have to be under some some sort of demonic possession to think that this is a person.

You were once that weak and helpless. So does that mean you are not a person?

That was a very long time ago. What I am now is not what I was then. Things change. Once upon a time there was a blob of cells that was not a person, it grew and eventually became a person -- me -- and some day I shall die and cease to be a person again. As the Bible says, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Every person in history was once not a person, and shall return to not being a person.

Or, at what time did you become a person?

It was a gradual process, in the same way that a pile of raw materials (timber, bricks, plaster, paint) will become a house and then a home. This is not a house even if it may become one eventually. This is not an oak tree.

There is no absolute point where a fetus becomes a baby, but I think a reasonable legal fiction is the moment the newborn takes its first breath. I am even satisfied that we offer the unborn fetus protection as an honorary person during the third-trimester, provided the mother -- a real, actual person -- is not in any danger.

What I do not accept under any circumstances is the Virtue Signalling Holier Than Thous who will sacrifice real, living actual people so that they can hypocritically and dishonestly pretend to care for fetuses which are already all but dead in the womb, or have no chance of survival.

Actual people are more important than fetuses which are at best only a potential person, and often are not even that, if the fetus has no chance of survival.