Mental gymnastics...

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[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

The rest of the Bible: kill witches, kill your enemies, kill criminals, kill anyone who touches the Arc of the Covenant (God will do that for you), kill innocent people from another tribe because God wants you to steal their land and enslave their women and children, kill your child because God wants a sacrifice (God to Abraham: nah, just kidding, LOL -- God to Jephthah: did I fucking stutter?).

Even Jesus said “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34).

The prohibition against killing only applies to people, and even then God allows exceptions. We kill plants and animals and insects a thousand times a day and nobody even blinks. A fetus is not a person.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Are you God's judge? You defend the right to kill the unborn, but then you seem to have a problem with God's judgments. The unborn are innocent. Witches and criminals are not. How about we leave the judgments up to the Judge? He commands us to not avenge ourselves, but to let God repay.

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Those that support killing the innocent... the unborn children... should fear God's vengeance.

You leap to a conclusion that a baby in its mother's womb is not a person. You were once that weak and helpless. So does that mean you are not a person? Or, at what time did you become a person? Are you sure you are a living person even now?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are you God's judge?

Maybe someone should be.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is good to examine God's word with the intention of finding the truth, but it is not wise to try to be God's judge. God is already the most perfect being with far more wisdom than us. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Perfection shouldn't come with genocidal rage and impossible demands such as to police thought crime. This god you speak of is a tyrant and a dictator hell-bent on causing death and suffering. The same god would have you believe you are born in sin and must spend your entire life repenting and begging on your knees for forgiveness, it is despicable to act as though this were normal behaviour, let alone to refer to this manic as perfect.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I read your accusations against the God of the living, then I looked at your chosen username... I'm done with you. I am also done arguing with the guy that had his face eaten by weavils. You can defend yourself when it is time for you to give account for your life: how you thought, spoke, and acted. But for those of us that repent, we have Jesus the Lord as our mediator.

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[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You leap to a conclusion that a baby in its mother's womb is not a person.

Damn straight. You would have to be under some some sort of demonic possession to think that this is a person.

You were once that weak and helpless. So does that mean you are not a person?

That was a very long time ago. What I am now is not what I was then. Things change. Once upon a time there was a blob of cells that was not a person, it grew and eventually became a person -- me -- and some day I shall die and cease to be a person again. As the Bible says, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Every person in history was once not a person, and shall return to not being a person.

Or, at what time did you become a person?

It was a gradual process, in the same way that a pile of raw materials (timber, bricks, plaster, paint) will become a house and then a home. This is not a house even if it may become one eventually. This is not an oak tree.

There is no absolute point where a fetus becomes a baby, but I think a reasonable legal fiction is the moment the newborn takes its first breath. I am even satisfied that we offer the unborn fetus protection as an honorary person during the third-trimester, provided the mother -- a real, actual person -- is not in any danger.

What I do not accept under any circumstances is the Virtue Signalling Holier Than Thous who will sacrifice real, living actual people so that they can hypocritically and dishonestly pretend to care for fetuses which are already all but dead in the womb, or have no chance of survival.

Actual people are more important than fetuses which are at best only a potential person, and often are not even that, if the fetus has no chance of survival.