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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I have no particular affinity for Jesus. The whole concept seems idolatrous. They're mere men.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you think he deserved to die?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Many people didn't deserve to die.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

True.

He was publicly executed, hung up on a cross. His accusation was that he was the King of the Jews.

If he could have avoided the cross by simply changing his story and no longer claiming to be the "Lord", why didn't he? Or, why did he enter Jerusalem knowing they didn't want him to be King? Why didn't he go somewhere else, to another city or to another nation? It would have been easy for him to save his own life, so why didn't he?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Decimation. Killing 1/10th of the offenders by crucifixion was a common punishment.

If he could have avoided the cross by simply changing his story and no longer claiming to be the "Lord", why didn't he? Or, why did he enter Jerusalem knowing they didn't want him to be King? Why didn't he go somewhere else, to another city or to another nation? It would have been easy for him to save his own life, so why didn't he?

How do you know any of that is true? How is it any more special than the thousands of women raped before they're killed like they were a disposable sex toy?

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I am glad you are discussing this with me. It is hard to convey mood in text messages, so that is why I tell you that, so you do not think you have offended me in some way, because you have not. As you are doing, I have also asked many questions. Man should not accept traditions with blind faith, but should scrutinize every doctrine to know whether it be true.

the offenders

What was his offense? He did nothing but good for people, feeding them, healing them, and telling them to stop fighting and to love one another. What is wrong with how he lived or what he spoke that should make him an offender?

You asked how his death was any more special than anyone else's death. Everyone else sinned. Jesus did not. And the sinners that were killed did not agree to die for others. A woman who is raped and killed did not consent to her own death. Jesus lay down his life voluntarily, knowing he would be beaten, publicly humiliated, and crucified. He did so saying there was no greater love than to die for his friends. He died for you, also, so your sins may be forgiven, if you would accept his sacrifice.

And how do I know this is true? It is the only explanation for our short life on earth that makes sense to me. No other story about our origin or purpose of life makes sense.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Man should not accept traditions with blind faith, but should scrutinize every doctrine to know whether it be true.

Nor should man accept the light seen at death with blind faith, but scrutinize every vision to know whether it be true.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Man is blind in darkness.