Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.)

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I suppose many of childbearing age, and many more grandparents-in-waiting.

I also, agree that nature deserves to have rights. I'm not sure how to legislate this.

Fortunately, the arc of justice is accelerating; each time leaving from a higher plane. (Note: IMO Identity politics is a notable exception to this (it's divisive by design, and in political intent)).

The problem is not the average person, and the desire to have a family. The threat to the planet is the avarice of the super wealthy.

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

We could all live like super wealthy people if we lower the population, and have the same effect to the planet.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Do the powerful ever willingly cede power?
Can you cite some historical examples of this happening?

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's kinda why people never consolidated in the past and left vast cities untouched, they didn't want to give up their independence. Waste management was extremely bad for one, and the methane and processing plants made it stink more. People just decided they didn't want to be packed in and would rather roam freely and set up a house or camp wherever they wanted and live the life. Not possible now, just sit in your cube life and never do anything bc it makes too much carbon.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You need to watch this.

How Big Oil Conquered The World.

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I had an idea way back, that car racing was the real defining factor of why I don't give a fuck anymore. If you can change those people, I'm all for it so long as I get 6 acres and not a tiny cubible to live in like every populated country. I'll have to watch this tomorrow anyway. (btw cant even get 6 acres today lol) (double edit, I race motorcycle)

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sounds like you should move to the country.

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All people should, cities are the biggest waste ever. We have internet now so no need for them anyway.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think that true. Are you interested in an interesting documentary?

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea of course, you act like you gonna pay me to say it's good lol.