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[–]Gringovirus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's all bullshit lies, they literally starve kids to death just to make the mud and fly videos.

Overpopulation is real by Niggerboy in overpopulation

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, we are just more crammed together. The population figures are bogus.

Trouble with population and why we are indeed overpopulated by intt in overpopulation

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Overpopulation is a myth.

The ruling class has established a system where the only purposes people have are to work/serve and to consume.

If they had actually engineered a fair system where things were built to last and function properly, not be semi-disposable, then the resources would be more efficiently utilized. If people found happiness in community then there'd be more art, creativity, and sharing (much like Burning Man).

Next time you drive down the street in your neighbourhood I want you to look at all the houses and count how many lawn mowers are in used. Perhaps 1 lawnmower per block would suffice and could be shared in a community coop. This applies to MANY things. How many people have a van they rarely use? Camping gear? Swimming pools? Etc.

Our sense of COMMUNITY is gone and replaced with consumerism. Fix that and you fix much.

Every community should have several gardens with diverse crops.

Natural remedies have been as killed off by Big Pharma as much as all the unnatural deaths of Naturapathic Doctors in the last decade.

People should not be working for "the man" but be working for themselves and taking pride in the unique things they create for themselves. You can work for a week to afford to buy a new sofa - or you can work for a week and build your own custom sofa, the way you want it.

And that's not even getting into the absurdist math they push on us. If people returned to the country away from the cities they'd find more than enough resources, even with the giant corporations raping the planet.

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[–]d3rr 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

look at that that curve, it's topping out. we can do 20 billion no problem. what item's scarcity is an issue? food, water, and medicine are in short supply in a few places, but they probably always have been.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Robin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that more tech is necessarily going to help. Remember, I live in Bangladesh:-) Something about chillling out and taking life easy rather than rolling out a technototalitarian control grid...

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Robin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do humans have to consume the planet's resources? Sure, we've gotta shit somewhere, but what if we just composted it, instead of using toxic chemicals to disinfect it etc. i.e. If instead of technoconsumermania, the normal was to do permaculture and use tech to make love not war?... From my Bangladesh perspective, the "developed" world seems not only immensely wasteful, but a pretty lonely and unfriendly place. The main recreation activity here is chatting :-)

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It peaks because as countries become developed their birth rates naturally drop, and most countries are now developed

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All people should, cities are the biggest waste ever. We have internet now so no need for them anyway.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like you should move to the country.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had an idea way back, that car racing was the real defining factor of why I don't give a fuck anymore. If you can change those people, I'm all for it so long as I get 6 acres and not a tiny cubible to live in like every populated country. I'll have to watch this tomorrow anyway. (btw cant even get 6 acres today lol) (double edit, I race motorcycle)

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea of course, you act like you gonna pay me to say it's good lol.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that true. Are you interested in an interesting documentary?

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's kinda why people never consolidated in the past and left vast cities untouched, they didn't want to give up their independence. Waste management was extremely bad for one, and the methane and processing plants made it stink more. People just decided they didn't want to be packed in and would rather roam freely and set up a house or camp wherever they wanted and live the life. Not possible now, just sit in your cube life and never do anything bc it makes too much carbon.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do the powerful ever willingly cede power?
Can you cite some historical examples of this happening?

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We could all live like super wealthy people if we lower the population, and have the same effect to the planet.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suppose many of childbearing age, and many more grandparents-in-waiting.

I also, agree that nature deserves to have rights. I'm not sure how to legislate this.

Fortunately, the arc of justice is accelerating; each time leaving from a higher plane. (Note: IMO Identity politics is a notable exception to this (it's divisive by design, and in political intent)).

The problem is not the average person, and the desire to have a family. The threat to the planet is the avarice of the super wealthy.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea but who wants 11 billion people? I'd prefer a few acres of farming mixed with the tech that we have. That is the future. I prefer that if we have a miracle and cooperate instead of spending the entire gdp on blowing people up. I mean I prefer it over dystopian concrete shithole even if it was nice bc we cooperate. Nature also deserves room is in my thinking as well.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If people were similar to deer, then I might agree.

However, I do not.
Humans have the unique abilities. Improve efficiency in existing processes, and find alternatives to compensate for scarcity.

Investigate commodity prices of any unregulated product, and you will find that the price of that commodity (or alternative) goes down over time (adjusting for inflation, etc.).

I'm not suggesting that regulation isn't important.
Fishing harvests should be controlled to eliminate population collapses.
Factory farming needs to be addressed in multiple areas (environmental, decentralization, price fixing, ethical treatment, etc.).
And so on...

However, these are issues of political will, and enforcement.

These are not laws of nature, as Malthus theorizes.

Solutions, and alternatives exist.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea I think I do because animals like deer will overpopulate and use their resources faster than they can be replenished and pretty much all small islands reach a max point of resources and then either lower population or import more resources. How about you?

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you have a version of this document that isn't camouflaged with people?

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you buy into the malthusian theory? If so, why?

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Show me the tech you plan to introduce so they can all live comfortably then.

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]Shaylee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do we need 11 billion people though? You suggest it will peak, but why? If it's not a problem, why would it peak?

Why I disagree with the concept of "overpopulation". (Spoiler alert: Whether the planet will tolerate us is less about out numbers, more about _how_ we live.) by Robin in overpopulation

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with this. We are nowhere near the holding capacity of earth. Especially as we get more efficient.

Human population is set to peak at 11 billion or so. The maximum rate of growth already happened in 1965 and now the rate of growth is slowing.

Overpopulation is not really a problem in the long run, imo. As long as we really do level off at around 11 billion, which all the numbers seem to indicate we will